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Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 6:21:46 AM   
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Georgia Right Behind AZ for those who'd like to read....
http://www.ajc.com/news/immigrants-a-force-in-580926.html?cxtype=ynews_rss
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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 7:24:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		California continues to have the most illegal aliens. This is a sign of how much work there is to get in California, and because California is one of the largest economies in the world. Look at illegal immigration in your state as a sign that there is "more" motivation for them to come. I mean, what illegal wants to move to Idaho or Montana, they have nothing to offer... Georgia does. Where you have a strong economy, you will have people coming to exploit it.

Much more positive way to look at the problem. Illegal immigration is down overall, because there aren't opportunities for them

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 7:24:22 AM   
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they will all head to PA.   argh.

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 8:38:06 AM   
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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 9:39:08 AM   
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And Ohio



There may be no jobs in the rust belt but the upside is that there is "affordable housing"

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 9:49:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not necessarily that there's a strong economy in Georgia. I lived there, my family is still there and so are many many friends of mine. It's that the damn hicks demand decent wages and the illegal immigrants don't and the company based in the area are willing to hire illegals because it's cheaper. This is true in any state where illegal immigration is high. There's a high concentration of major company bases in the Atlanta and Metro area. Just like there is in areas of Arizona (for construction companies) and in California.

It's not about having more work available per population...it's about paying people less. If Americans were willing to work for less than the illegals, then the Americans would have the jobs. This can also be demonstrated with outsourcing of jobs. If it's less expensive for a company to outsource their employment base, they will. It just so happens that the companies here find it cheaper to hire the illegals as opposed to outsourcing. It's the same damned thing.

Damn the American minimum wage and expectation to be treated like human beings instead of dogs. ...Never mind, we treat dogs with more kindness than we do other people.

Coming from living in Ga...I support the law as it is. Hell, I supported the Az law as it was. If the application of the law was abusive, then it's not the law that's corrupt...it's those enforcing the law. Why change a good law that's meant to protect the interests of citizens when what really needs to be changed are the people abusing the law to feed their own prejudices?

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 10:23:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your like 40% to understanding the issue, some Americans have about illegal immigration, BoiJen. The other 60% is easy to understand as well. Americans, on average, have ALOT of debt, with little to no way to pay for it. In the for-seeable future, the rate of salary/contract, will go down. Meaning, it will take longer to pay off a debt; but the amount of money to 'spend frillistly' on materialistic egos will also go do. So, a people, that can't spend 'high on the hog' get angry and lash out at anything they percieve as 'the enemy'. In this case, the convient scape goat are those 'illegal immigratants'.

It is kind of a funny paradox, in that, Americans, demand, top dollar for their services, yet, complain when its expected from someone else. Taxes would rank, second, on the list of arguements by these Americans. The idea, that if their taxes were dropped by 5%, they would have more money to invest and pay bills. The reality is all together different. The 5%, the following year is added to their 'spending on the hog' bill, rather then investing or paying off debts. The second year, they are again, bitching about taxes. They take no ownership of their spending habits, which is the real culprit.

As far as illegal immigratants in GA, I would find that a bit amusing. They will go, where the jobs are, not were others say they should go. Maybe financial managers could create 'illegal immigrant jobs' as a 'Trailing Indicator' of the financial health of the country? In case you dont know, an example of a 'Leading Indicator' is the DOW. A 'Trailing Indicator' would be the unemployment rate, or the Fed rate.

Creating laws to ban illegal immigrants, is a rather ignorant method, given the current system at the federal level. Would be like posting four 'traffic guards' at an intersection that already has a traffic light in operation. The problem is, the traffic light was designed, when traffice was only one lane, in a small neighborhood....60 years ago. But today, that same traffic light is in operation, but the lanes on all four sides are 2-3 wide (not counting the outflow lane). The traffic light is ineffective, and causes backups and grid lock. So, metaphorically speaking (like this example), if we fix the traffic light (immigration) to be up-to-date and work for us, rather then create traffic guards (state imposed laws like AZ's immigration), would cost us less money. Its simply the 'scale of economies' at work. The AZ law will be under fire for a while, and it will have to defend itself from every court battle.

So, the folks in AZ are now paying MORE money, due to their anger and hatred, rather then less of either. For a group of people that are against taxes and sloppy spending of money, they sure do have a funny way of expressing it.

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 11:15:26 AM   
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And Ohio



There may be no jobs in the rust belt but the upside is that there is "affordable housing"


A popular myth about the so-called rust belt.


US States Economies, US State Economy Indicator


Business and Economy of Ohio

According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the Gross State Product of Ohio in 2003 was $ 403 billion with a per capita personal income of $30,129 in the same year.

Business and Economy of Georgia

The Gross State Product of the economy in 2001 was calculated at $299.9. The per capita personal income in 2003 was $29,442.



Ohio Labor Market Information

Unemployment Rates

Jun'10 May'10 Jun'09 
10.5% 10.7% 10.5%

Georgia Department of Labor

Georgia Unemployment Rate:  10.0%



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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 12:02:12 PM   
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It's not necessarily that there's a strong economy in Georgia. I lived there, my family is still there and so are many many friends of mine. It's that the damn hicks demand decent wages and the illegal immigrants don't and the company based in the area are willing to hire illegals because it's cheaper. This is true in any state where illegal immigration is high. There's a high concentration of major company bases in the Atlanta and Metro area. Just like there is in areas of Arizona (for construction companies) and in California.
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Hum, "Damn Hicks".....???
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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 4:21:28 PM   
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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 4:22:45 PM   
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thought the same thing, Level.

some people's children... gesh

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 4:26:12 PM   
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Love being the OP...awaits the roaches to crawl out of the dark, creepy, holes any minute and tell me this is "My opinion"  (grins)

Georgia Right Behind AZ for those who'd like to read....
http://www.ajc.com/news/immigrants-a-force-in-580926.html?cxtype=ynews_rss


...and they were deliberately hired by meatpackers, ag industries, and factories.  They sure aren't taking any "New South" jobs!

Charge us more for chicken, pork, and beef, slow down the lines, increase the pay, and clamp down on hiring illegals.  Just how much is it worth for your cheap food?  Working conditions in those places are a fucking travesty.


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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 4:34:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

And Ohio



There may be no jobs in the rust belt but the upside is that there is "affordable housing"


A popular myth about the so-called rust belt.


US States Economies, US State Economy Indicator


Business and Economy of Ohio

According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the Gross State Product of Ohio in 2003 was $ 403 billion with a per capita personal income of $30,129 in the same year.

Business and Economy of Georgia

The Gross State Product of the economy in 2001 was calculated at $299.9. The per capita personal income in 2003 was $29,442.



Ohio Labor Market Information

Unemployment Rates

Jun'10 May'10 Jun'09 
10.5% 10.7% 10.5%

Georgia Department of Labor

Georgia Unemployment Rate:  10.0%





Ten percent unemployment seems to indicate a shortage of jobs.
Per capita income $2,000 below the poverty level.
Both of the above would seem to validate my statement.

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 5:10:03 PM   
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California continues to have the most illegal aliens. This is a sign of how much work there is to get in California, and because California is one of the largest economies in the world. Look at illegal immigration in your state as a sign that there is "more" motivation for them to come. I mean, what illegal wants to move to Idaho or Montana, they have nothing to offer... Georgia does. Where you have a strong economy, you will have people coming to exploit it.

Much more positive way to look at the problem. Illegal immigration is down overall, because there aren't opportunities for them



I'm not sure where you get your information. It is apparent that you have never been to either state to actually know what is going on. Illegal workers here in Idaho are as big or bigger a problem than many other places. The Amalgamated Sugar Co. works 24/7 during the beet harvest with about 100 workers per shift, (With a number of processing plants scattered across the souther portion of the state.) I worked there one season for the run. The shift just before mine nearly had to shut down one night when the place was raided for illegals. People watching from the 5 story rooftop said it looked like a field of ants running away to keep from getting caught. Drive through any rural agricultural area during the summer and you'll see field after field of people hoeing, weeding, or working the harvest in one fashion or another. The attourney general of the city where I live tried to sue the Mexican government a few years ago to try to recoup some of the losses caused by the number of illegals that are here. Yes, it was an act of protest more than actually hoping to win the suit, but it is a good indication of the size of the problem here. (And by the way, the AG is Hispanic) the subdivision where I live is probably about 75% Hispanic, and my estimate is that about 1/4 to 1/3 of those are here illegally. For a state that has "nothing to offer" we seem to have a sizeable problem.

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 5:15:43 PM   
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the subdivision where I live is probably about 75% Hispanic, and my estimate is that about 1/4 to 1/3 of those are here illegally.


How did you arrive at that estimate?

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 5:28:34 PM   
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It's not necessarily that there's a strong economy in Georgia. I lived there, my family is still there and so are many many friends of mine. It's that the damn hicks demand decent wages and the illegal immigrants don't and the company based in the area are willing to hire illegals because it's cheaper. This is true in any state where illegal immigration is high. There's a high concentration of major company bases in the Atlanta and Metro area. Just like there is in areas of Arizona (for construction companies) and in California.

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For real, you think that is ok to type?

Change the damn hicks with any just about any other stereotypical slang for a group of folks and you would have everyone on this site jumping on your ass.

Bless your heart.

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 6:09:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		JAS, I honestly don't think jen meant that as a slam, as she lived there awhile (I could be wrong, it happened, once )

Hell, I use hicks, rednecks, crackers, honkey, white devil, etc but I readily admit to being off.

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/29/2010 7:37:17 PM   
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Bless your heart.


ROFL

no you didnt!

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/30/2010 3:55:46 AM   
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JAS, I honestly don't think jen meant that as a slam, as she lived there awhile (I could be wrong, it happened, once )

Hell, I use hicks, rednecks, crackers, honkey, white devil, etc but I readily admit to being off.
Level, you may be right that no offense was intended.  I still find it unacceptable.

I use all the words you typed, hell I use em for family, and to their faces.  I also have cute pet names for friends who are different nationalities and races than me, and they have them for me.  In fact, one calls me a damn hick and I call her something that, if I typed it here, it would offend many.  She doesn't care, as we know each other, and I don't mind her callin me a hick, cause, well she is just a ***** *******.

This is not a gathering of my close friends, and I have a sensitive spot about the terms hick, redneck, etc. being the last of the allowed derogatory terms that seem to be acceptable for folks to use. 

Perhaps it is because I have had those words flung at me by folks who heard my accent and assumed I was a moron because of that.  I prefer that you get to know me well, then you can decide I am a moron and I have no problem with it!

So, offense intended or not, it offends me. 

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RE: Georgia, another like AZ - 7/30/2010 4:04:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		*hugssss JAS* I understand what you're saying, my friend; I don't like offending others, but I hate "censoring" myself, too, but I do it sometimes.

And my God, anyone thinking you're a moron, is just a moron! I always enjoy your posts.

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