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To me it seems like Obama's in a bad situation. If he wades into race situations, then he'll be seen as pandering to blacks. If he stays far away, then he's "inflaming racial tensions." So where's the middle line?

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

FR...

You know what the whole finger pointing "racist!" thing reminds me of?

"Class warfare!"

Every time someone tried to raise the issue of income inequity and the disappearance of the middle class, or the dramatic concentration of income of the wealthiest people fruing the last administration, the cry of "Class warfare!" went out.  Just like the cries of "Political Correctness!", it just stops any discussion in its tracks.

Which gets back to the huge problem of economic uncertainty for millions of Americans.

To me it seems like Obama's in a bad situation.  If he wades into race situations, then he'll be seen as pandering to blacks.  If he stays far away, then he's "inflaming racial tensions."  So where's the middle line?

I agree, he is trapped between the devil and the deep blue sea.


I don't think there's anything he can do to improve the opinions of the ones who refer to him always as Barack HUSSEIN Obama, call him "The Kenyan", etc.  He's screwed six ways from Sunday.

Too true, people who are that entrenched in their world view are not open to new dialogue or change.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


I wonder if race relations are actually being 'damaged' or if tension is just being brought to the surface.

If race relations were in good shape to begin with none of those things would have been so explosive.

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Hello Violet,

IMO, the major reasons we are seeing such an increase in US racial tensions are the social, economic and psychological costs of 2 long term foreign wars and the continued economic recession. When people feel insecure, threatened and watch their family, friends and neighbors loose jobs, businesses, homes and health care they become increasingly desperate. In such times a scapegoat or villian is very convenient. Civility is cast aside in favor of anger and blame and selfishness.

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Hello Violet,

IMO, the major reasons we are seeing such an increase in US racial tensions are the social, economic and psychological costs of 2 long term foreign wars and the continued economic recession. When people feel insecure, threatened and watch their family, friends and neighbors loose jobs, businesses, homes and health care they become increasingly desperate. In such times a scapegoat or villian is very convenient. Civility is cast aside in favor of anger and blame and selfishness.

What you said there is very true, but I also think that there are people who are all too eager to capitalize on that desperation for political ends.  I think that it is exactly because of the reasons you stated that some in the media are willing to provide said scapegoat.  In this case, minorities under the new president.  Rush Limbaugh, for example, reported on a story where black kids beat up a white kid and closed with "This is Obama's America."

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

Willbe, please explain to me how that is out of context? Seriously, I'm not above being enlightened :-) 

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

Willbe, please explain to me how that is out of context? Seriously, I'm not above being enlightened :-) 

I already did. It was the middle of a long discussion about the fallacy of Obama's election heralding a post-racial America.

He was not saying, as you imply in your post, that Obama's election was the cause of the incident on the bus, but that the election did nothing to change or ease racial tensions.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

.But I'm sick and tired of black people making up ways I'm out to get them.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
In the thread I referenced above, the OP wanted to know "... can we stop with the boogie man, communist, nazi nonsense long enough to maybe discuss the issues? ".

The left leaning members of the forum initially turned it into a joke thread, and it wasn't until the 6th page that I decided to point out the fact that it was the left that was refusing to take it seriously.  For the next couple of pages, I had a reasonable discussion with a few posters, but the old lefty tactics came out again in force, and they demonstrated the very same childish, insulting, belittling behavior of which I pointed out that they were guilty .

That's what the left does. 
Firm

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

FR...

You know what the whole finger pointing "racist!" thing reminds me of?

"Class warfare!"

Every time someone tried to raise the issue of income inequity and the disappearance of the middle class, or the dramatic concentration of income of the wealthiest people fruing the last administration, the cry of "Class warfare!" went out.  Just like the cries of "Political Correctness!", it just stops any discussion in its tracks.

To me it seems like Obama's in a bad situation.  If he wades into race situations, then he'll be seen as pandering to blacks.  If he stays far away, then he's "inflaming racial tensions."  So where's the middle line?

I don't think there's anything he can do to improve the opinions of the ones who refer to him always as Barack HUSSEIN Obama, call him "The Kenyan", etc.  He's screwed six ways from Sunday.

I've never known a committed leftist let anything shut them up.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
I'm sorry, that's just not true.

If what Rush said carried no implications of a sort of racial role-reversal for you then you are seriously deluding yourself.

The transcripts of the piece are on Rush Limbaugh's page, the link is here:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091509/content/01125106.guest.html

I invite anyone paying attention to read that page and form your own opinions, I think his own words more than prove my point for me.

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

Willbe, please explain to me how that is out of context? Seriously, I'm not above being enlightened :-) 

I already did. It was the middle of a long discussion about the fallacy of Obama's election heralding a post-racial America.

He was not saying, as you imply in your post, that Obama's election was the cause of the incident on the bus, but that the election did nothing to change or ease racial tensions.

I'm sorry, that's just not true.

If what Rush said carried no implications of a sort of racial role-reversal for you then you are seriously deluding yourself.

The transcripts of the piece are on Rush Limbaugh's page, the link is here:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091509/content/01125106.guest.html

I invite anyone paying attention to read that page and form your own opinions, I think his own words more than prove my point for me.

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray



I'm sorry, that's just not true.

If what Rush said carried no implications of a sort of racial role-reversal for you then you are seriously deluding yourself.

The transcripts of the piece are on Rush Limbaugh's page, the link is here:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091509/content/01125106.guest.html

I invite anyone paying attention to read that page and form your own opinions, I think his own words more than prove my point for me.