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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 11:26:27 AM   
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I would think you would absolutely love this kind of place. You could walk around with a group of your friends and talk about how superior you are to everyone else. Wouldn't that be fun



You know thats it quite funny you would say that. Wasn't it you orfunboi and Hibiscus recently who started all that superior bullshit with the Downriver BDSM group that was between you and the Flint group? If I remember correctly, your group took the position that there were superior to anyone else in Michigan because you had more public venues. So I find it quite funny that you come from a group with a horrible reputation for putting on airs of superiority, cliquishness and starting bullshit between people, and then come in here and comment to me about it. You got to love hypocrisy.

But hey, at least in an earlier post I was big enough to admit that I could be wrong and that maybe I was painting too many people with the same brush. I do not believe I have ever seen you post anything remotely like an apology or a willingness to admit that you could possibly be wrong.

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 11:29:49 AM   
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Missokyst, please review the earlier comment in which I stated that: "I was briefly involved with these people when I was around 17 years old for about a year or so before I realized just what kind of trap that lifestyle was and said to hell with that."

You really should learn to put things into their proper context before throwing judgement calls out on people. Generally I have never had an issue with your postings but a certain modicum of intelligence should always prevail at least.

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 11:50:21 AM   
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ciaphascain,

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And how many years of your life did you lose to that lifestyle before you realized you needed more out of the world? Not to be flip, but did this consume a large percentage of your time? I am curious is all and I mean no offense to you. I have a few friends who have severe regrets about being involved with the SCA or the renaissance lifestyle and they have pretty much renounced it because it consumed so very many years of their lives that could have been spent on education, starting their career, etc.


As with anything in this life, you do what makes you happy.  Ren faires have been a second home to me.  Did you ever go someplace and have such an intense feeling of belonging that you stayed?   That was how it began for me.   I can't say it got in the way of my living, as it was a part of the wheel.  I still had time for work, dog shows, my friends and family that were non renny....so I guess in answer to your question, we are in charge of our lives, we decide what governs us. 

SCA didn't hold my attention for long, so I can't answer that part of your query, sorry. 

Hope that helps :)

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 12:07:55 PM   
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ciaphascain,

It sounds like you met some interesting folks...but just as it's not wise to paint all of BDSM with one brushstroke, the same holds true for other parts of your life.

Ren Faires for me, and countless other folks I know..is performing.  It was a chance to act in front of an audience and interact with them as well.  Which is probably why I didn't last long at SCA.  No ale, singing or interacting with the public...(anyone not in garb was considered naked I was told and not to be interfaced with).   As I grow older, dabbling in arts and crafts that were common for the era has taken over my love to perform.  Let the younguns run up and down those hills and scream so everyone in the back row can hear them....I will be sitting under a shady tree carving out my beeswax candles :)      

As to the low life comment...look around you.   You can find some pretty shady characters anywhere you go, it's your decision if you make them friends or ignore them.  I ask you to please not make such broad sweeping comments when referring to faire folks.   Some of us are actually educated, hard working people. 

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 12:16:17 PM   
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That is true, AlwaysLisa. I did admit in an earlier post to AngelicaJ that I could very well be wrong with my generalizations. I believe that my negative experiences unfortunately colored my perceptions of this particular lifestyle. I am willing to admit the possiblity of that and in turn to try and keep an open mind towards other possiblities.

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 2:00:13 PM   
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yes, definitely the cleavage...I a a corset woman myself.  But it has been years since I attended SCA and the Ren.

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 2:42:42 PM   
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To ciaphascain, Thats a tuff name to spell so I copied and pasted.

Anyway, I dont know how old you are now and I really dont care quite frankly. All I know is you said you were 17 when involved at ren faires. So sure age 17 and involved with friends who where this and that. I get it. But that seriously doesn't enable you to speak much about a world that you spent one year or so in. At that age things change a LOT.

But anywhoo, I noticed from way back when, that many members here speak of ren faires and their involvement in them. Probably those that love to define themselves outside the box are more likely to want to say, experiment with all sorts of concepts.  I've been a renaissance faire artisan for 25 years. And pretty much over that amount of time, Ive come to NOT make judgments on the people who buy stuff from me. My clientele always suprises me. Some people seem pretty upscale but then their checks bounce. Some people have no teeth but then you talk to them and they have masters degrees.

There is no set formula for who goes to a Ren faire and who follows the circuit. Rich people poor people, people in the middle. All of them I have met. As for ciaphascain, you might have had a lot in common with the company that you kept. Try and lighten up a bit while you're here. We are all types people as well. No need to be mad about it.

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 2:50:31 PM   
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An x of mine used to be in the SCA, Daddy is interested in the SCA, and I believe, used to be in the SCA. I have been to Renaissance fairs, and  they're ok. But I'm not sure about the SCA, it would depend on a lot of stuff. I'm not really interested in being domesticated, the cooking or cleaning or the minding the camp doing womanly things, while the men do manly things. So if that was expected of me at the SCA meets because I was a woman, and that was the "womans role" I'd  have no desire to go.

And a man fighting for my honor in a jousting tournament might be fun,
Otherwise, Personally for me,  walking around and pretending we're in the Renaissance,  and it's the time period of the Renaissance and talking like they did back then, or what ever the point of SCA is, would feel stupid to me even though I am a very creative person I like to think.

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Just wondering how many of us are interested in Renaissance Faires and SCA... it seems to be a common interest, and if so, does it speak to our need to express creativity and explore alternate realities?


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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 3:02:58 PM   
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I did the whole sca thing when I was about 15 to 17.

I grew bored with it and the idea of no modern conveniences was just gross to me.

I even hate camping.

I kinda like reality.


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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 3:03:50 PM   
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Sadly there is a high volume of lifestyle people in the state I live in that are involved with Renaissance Faires or the SCA. For me, if someone tells me they are associated with this then that is an immediate no tolerance limit and I move on. If you ever have the (mis)fortune of attending a renaissance faire or one of the Society for Creative Anachronism's events, take a long hard look at the people in attendence. A very large percentage of them are extremely low-class people with no intention of ever being more in life. Most of them have never had anything in life and never will because the concept of hard work and sacrifice is foreign to them. In many ways this type of lifestyle is more addictive than anything else. I have known people who would not go to work because an event fell on a weekend and they could not get the time off and so they get fired. I have known others who had children taken from them because they spent all their money on replica period tents and clothing instead of food and bills. I have known even more who dropped out of high school, never bothered to pursue anything of worth like career or higher education, and in general quickly became very unproductive members of society bouncing from event to event and staying with anyone who would put them up. I was briefly involved with these people when I was around 17 years old for about a year or so before I realized just what kind of trap that lifestyle was and said to hell with that.

But anyways, it is not so much that it speaks to peoples needs to express themselves creatively as it is that it creates an atmosphere of camaraderie with similiar minded people who have essentially stopped being productive culturally and socially. It is the culture of the socially inept and creatively lacking mentality that draws these people forth.



I went to a couple of those Ren Fairs years ago and you're not too far from the truth.
Everytime I think of them those down on their luck guys playing in a band come to mind; "FREE CREDIT REPORT.COM".
Junky old cars and of course,....VW Buses that were 40 years old in the parking lots, NO new Caddies or Lincolns, and,.....the STENCH of "Patchouli Oil! It smells like skunk urine!
I hadn't smelled that raw sewage since the 1960's! Who knew it would make a "comeback!"
And two guys dressed up as, I don't know what, chasing each other aound on motorized mini-bikes with wooden "swords" in an "arena." I didn't see *any" horses! But of COURSE there was some type of event called "Dungeons and dragons."
And the usual fried dough and hot dog stands and booths with cheap plastic jewelry and "potions" to counter "hexes!" WTF!?
Yes, there must have been a high percentage of people there who were still living at their parent's houses in "The Man Cave."
A lot of people there who you just knew, "didn't get picked for *either* team" when they were younger and a lot of fat chicks!
Yeah, "Ren Fairs" are a "hard limit" for me too!
I'd rather go to an antique car show anyday! Or, chew on tin foil.

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 3:40:52 PM   
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I have been to the local fair in MN and while it's fun to go every few years or so for a laugh, it's nothing more than that to me. I do have to say that I've gotten to know a few people that are regular players? there (not sure what the name is for them) They are all well educated and successful in the business world. They are all also very vanilla, lol


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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 4:16:31 PM   
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I went to a couple of those Ren Fairs years ago and you're not too far from the truth.
Everytime I think of them those down on their luck guys playing in a band come to mind; "FREE CREDIT REPORT.COM".
Junky old cars and of course,....VW Buses that were 40 years old in the parking lots, NO new Caddies or Lincolns, The Horrors...how did you survive? and,.....the STENCH of "Patchouli Oil! (My mother always wore patchouli) It smells like skunk urine! How do you know what skunk urine smells like... never mind, I am quite certain I don't want to know.
I hadn't smelled that raw sewage since the 1960's! Who knew it would make a "comeback!"

And two guys dressed up as, I don't know what, chasing each other aound on motorized mini-bikes with wooden "swords" in an "arena." I didn't see *any" horses! But of COURSE there was some type of event called "Dungeons and dragons."

And the usual fried dough and hot dog stands and booths with cheap plastic jewelry and "potions" to counter "hexes!" WTF!?
Popeye, I have never seen a motorized anything inside the grounds of a Renfaire except for an ambulance on one occasion nor have I seen a hot dog vendor.

Yes, there must have been a high percentage of people there who were still living at their parent's houses in "The Man Cave."
A lot of people there who you just knew, "didn't get picked for *either* team" when they were younger and a lot of fat chicks!

Yeah, "Ren Fairs" are a "hard limit" for me too!
I'd rather go to an antique car show anyday! Or, chew on tin foil.


Thanks for sharing your overwhelmingly positive critique of your Renfaire experience. I am sure your unique perspective did nothing to influence your clear and unbiased judgement of your experience.

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 5:06:01 PM   
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Popeye,

Sounds like you took a left, instead of a right...and found yourself at Walmart.

There are lots of faires through out the country..some are better then others. 

If I stumbled into a grammar school production of Hello Dolly, and the lead singer couldn't hit a note with a baseball bat...should I then assume all theatre is badly run and filled with a lack of talent?    What a pity, for if I did, I would then have missed some truly great performances. 

I guess those two faires you attended puts you in the critics seat for all faires, nationwide?  Impressive.  

Btw, faires are not a lifestyle.  They are entertainment, education, recreation, call it what you will....but at the end of the day we all drive home in our cars and are well aware of the current century in which we live.  

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 6:01:01 PM   
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I went to a couple of those Ren Fairs years ago and you're not too far from the truth.
Everytime I think of them those down on their luck guys playing in a band come to mind; "FREE CREDIT REPORT.COM".
Junky old cars and of course,....VW Buses that were 40 years old in the parking lots, NO new Caddies or Lincolns, The Horrors...how did you survive? and,.....the STENCH of "Patchouli Oil! (My mother always wore patchouli) It smells like skunk urine! How do you know what skunk urine smells like... never mind, I am quite certain I don't want to know.
I hadn't smelled that raw sewage since the 1960's! Who knew it would make a "comeback!"

And two guys dressed up as, I don't know what, chasing each other aound on motorized mini-bikes with wooden "swords" in an "arena." I didn't see *any" horses! But of COURSE there was some type of event called "Dungeons and dragons."

And the usual fried dough and hot dog stands and booths with cheap plastic jewelry and "potions" to counter "hexes!" WTF!?
Popeye, I have never seen a motorized anything inside the grounds of a Renfaire except for an ambulance on one occasion nor have I seen a hot dog vendor.

Yes, there must have been a high percentage of people there who were still living at their parent's houses in "The Man Cave."
A lot of people there who you just knew, "didn't get picked for *either* team" when they were younger and a lot of fat chicks!

Yeah, "Ren Fairs" are a "hard limit" for me too!
I'd rather go to an antique car show anyday! Or, chew on tin foil.


Thanks for sharing your overwhelmingly positive critique of your Renfaire experience. I am sure your unique perspective did nothing to influence your clear and unbiased judgement of your experience.


Anjelica, then why didn't they have horses for "jousting" instead of motor bikes?
I'll stick to the antique car shows! And yes, they had hot dog and fried dough stands too! The "Knights of Silliness" get hungry too you know!


P.S. I want my money's worth! I want REAL horses, REAL swords and REAL fucking Blood! WTF! You're not going to hurt anyone with a *wooden sword!*

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 7:14:15 PM   
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I went to a couple of those Ren Fairs years ago and you're not too far from the truth.
Everytime I think of them those down on their luck guys playing in a band come to mind; "FREE CREDIT REPORT.COM".
Junky old cars and of course,....VW Buses that were 40 years old in the parking lots, NO new Caddies or Lincolns, The Horrors...how did you survive? and,.....the STENCH of "Patchouli Oil! (My mother always wore patchouli) It smells like skunk urine! How do you know what skunk urine smells like... never mind, I am quite certain I don't want to know.
I hadn't smelled that raw sewage since the 1960's! Who knew it would make a "comeback!"

And two guys dressed up as, I don't know what, chasing each other aound on motorized mini-bikes with wooden "swords" in an "arena." I didn't see *any" horses! But of COURSE there was some type of event called "Dungeons and dragons."

And the usual fried dough and hot dog stands and booths with cheap plastic jewelry and "potions" to counter "hexes!" WTF!?
Popeye, I have never seen a motorized anything inside the grounds of a Renfaire except for an ambulance on one occasion nor have I seen a hot dog vendor.

Yes, there must have been a high percentage of people there who were still living at their parent's houses in "The Man Cave."
A lot of people there who you just knew, "didn't get picked for *either* team" when they were younger and a lot of fat chicks!

Yeah, "Ren Fairs" are a "hard limit" for me too!
I'd rather go to an antique car show anyday! Or, chew on tin foil.


Thanks for sharing your overwhelmingly positive critique of your Renfaire experience. I am sure your unique perspective did nothing to influence your clear and unbiased judgement of your experience.


Anjelica, then why didn't they have horses for "jousting" instead of motor bikes?
I'll stick to the antique car shows! And yes, they had hot dog and fried dough stands too! The "Knights of Silliness" get hungry too you know!


P.S. I want my money's worth! I want REAL horses, REAL swords and REAL fucking Blood! WTF! You're not going to hurt anyone with a *wooden sword!*


I have been to the ones that have real horses, swords, and mail (armour)

AlwaysLisa confirmed that you went to ones that were dismal efforts.
Some are like that and some are really well put together.

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 11:18:46 PM   
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Southern was awesome (I havent been in a number of years, and last I'd heard they moved it to IRWINDALE... *ICK*).  Northern I only attended once, lovely setting.

Both of those were begun by a woman who was a history teacher.  She wanted her classes to reall y GET what she was teaching.. and the rest is (pardon the pun) history. A high level authenticity is mandatory. 

I've been to Faires that left a lot to be desired (seriously? Klingons manning the pubs?). But, a well run Faire can be a blast!

As far as the ratio of kinksters to Rennies/SCAdians..  no clue.  Perhaps just (as someone else said) the willingness/desire to do stuff outside the box of "normalcy"?  Hell, I dont know, or care.  It's all fun!

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/1/2010 11:35:29 PM   
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Greetings ciaphascain....

Yep...you certainly have only a very small clue about the SCA. A few of us have a much better idea of what the organization is, who the people are and why do it. I have been a member since the 10th year of the society. It is now the 45th year. I think by now I have a clue. I have also been to and done a small bit of performing at a couple of renne faires. I did medieval color and on foot fighting demos for a couple of small ones.

Yes, there are people with no jobs, blue collar jobs, white collar jobs and pretty much jobs of all sorts. For every truck driver and factory worker there is probably someone who works on a computer all day or has a professional position such as teacher, professor, doctor or lawyer. I know some of all those types. One of the nicest berserkers and most knowledgeable about Viking culture, artifacts and capable of duplicating them in iron or wood was also a PhD tenured professor in nuclear Chemistry in Wisconsin. His round shield sat 4 when he added the legs. (No, I am not joking. He was over 6.5' tall and the shield had attachment points for legs.)

There are good people, bad people, and mostly average people in the SCA and renne faires. Pretty much it is people who want to do more than just read about things. The renne faires are more for merchants and performers in my opinion. As to why there are large numbers of people who are in both that and connected to BDSM? Perhaps it is because all three are types of counter and different cultures and people who are attracted to one also like others. Perhaps it is the cleavage. <grins> OK...the leather and weapons too.

When you have been a part of it as long as I have, it, like other groups, becomes a part of who and what you are. I define it as which side of the closet you choose your clothes for the day from. That does, to some extent, determine how you speak and act and sometimes who you associate with and sometimes it is all the same people. There is, what has been called the great overlapping membership between the SCA, science fiction fandom and gaming. I know the first two have more than a bit of BDSM overlap and there are some among gamers as well. It is just not as obvious an activity.

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/2/2010 1:15:56 AM   
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Southern was awesome (I havent been in a number of years, and last I'd heard they moved it to IRWINDALE... *ICK*).  Northern I only attended once, lovely setting.

Yeah, southern fair is still in Irwindale. And ick is truly an appropriate term. Beastly hot, and No. Damned. Shade!!!

I used to love going to renne fair, but these days I'm less than thrilled. I also used to have a half decent costume, but that's gone poof as well. It's just no fun as a tourist. Well, except for the cleavage.


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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/2/2010 5:24:00 AM   
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I would think you would absolutely love this kind of place. You could walk around with a group of your friends and talk about how superior you are to everyone else. Wouldn't that be fun



You know thats it quite funny you would say that. Wasn't it you orfunboi and Hibiscus recently who started all that superior bullshit with the Downriver BDSM group that was between you and the Flint group? If I remember correctly, your group took the position that there were superior to anyone else in Michigan because you had more public venues. So I find it quite funny that you come from a group with a horrible reputation for putting on airs of superiority, cliquishness and starting bullshit between people, and then come in here and comment to me about it. You got to love hypocrisy.

But hey, at least in an earlier post I was big enough to admit that I could be wrong and that maybe I was painting too many people with the same brush. I do not believe I have ever seen you post anything remotely like an apology or a willingness to admit that you could possibly be wrong.


Well, I attended a downriver coffee munch about 4 years ago, and was good friends with a lady who ran a flint group over 6 years ago, but starting bullshit between the two. Nope you must be thinking of someone else. I also don't remember Lady Hibiscus having anything to do with the downriver group, I have seen her at a lot of places, just not that one. The only group I helped run was MiChatOhs and they have never had a horrible reputation that I am aware of. Guess it's time to admit you were wrong again. Oh and you might want to apologize to Lady H for dragging her name into it also.

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RE: Renaissance Faires, SCA... - 8/2/2010 6:06:58 AM   
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In Britain, it is called the battle re enactment scene, and that scene had a positive influence on my life, for I got to know about people, all the different types of people and that whatever they were in civies, they were just people in the scene and people being how they want to be, possessing a freedom they perhaps cannot feel in the day to day mundanes of life.

I met professors ,academics and bin men, city suited types and hard ass bikers, all coming together for a common purpose, a place where status outside means nothing inside. I  had some very good experiences, and some bad exeriences, for the people this kind of activity attracts, well basically I would say they to a greater or lesser extent fit into my grouping, that of the fringe loony, but the biggest danger I found within the scene is Ego and with that people who started taking it all a little too seriously, then it ceased to be fun and was becoming more like the shite we for a time escaped from, making that time more attractive and the re enactment scene less so.

The scene is an escape for many and with some a means of living, it takes all sorts, but I do see the attraction still after  fourteen years away from it and again maybe I will get involved, but when I do, it will be as a trader/ demonstrator, not a participant in the ego stroking flashes and clangs of steel.

In the scene, I learned leather work, bone work and horn work, I taught myself bronze casting, and chain mail making, the result I made all my own kit and with an authenticity even the nazis could not fault as my research went deep. If I return to the scene, then as a metalsmith I will be, iron forging to accompany the investment bronze casting I learned at a reconstructed iron age round house in Glastonbury, which incidently was built on the site of an existing ancient round house which at the time was a crannog in a lake.

A link with BDSM, well yes, for I first saw it there and later came to know some who I felt at the time took it a little bit too seriously, Goreans they called themselves, a name to me at the time that  meant nothing, but I understand now.

Perhaps it is, BDSM is not such a fringe activity as many think, perhaps it is in reality just as normal as everything else, but what people say they do and what they do are often quite different, but perhaps the negative impact of sensationalising media has a role to play in the negativity that is perceived.


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