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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/6/2010 4:35:40 PM   
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Words can't be distorted over time if they are in print though. Well, if the original survives.


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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/6/2010 4:38:27 PM   
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How they are precieved can mean different things over time.

Not sue I said that right.... as in, the meanings of words change, over time. Actually, not just their meanings but how they affect us, as well.

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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/6/2010 7:49:02 PM   
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quote:

If actions are stronger than words, why is the pen mightier than the sword?

Topic for discussion: Words or actions, which are of more value?


The lunatic, the lover and the poet
Are of imagination all compact:
One sees more devils than vast hell can hold,
That is, the madman: the lover, all as frantic,
Sees Helen's beauty in a brow of Egypt:
The poet's eye, in fine frenzy rolling,
Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven;
And as imagination bodies forth
The forms of things unknown, the poet's pen
Turns them to shapes and gives to airy nothing
A local habitation and a name.

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(from a dream he had one summer)

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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/6/2010 10:24:29 PM   
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Words are only of value in the actions they inspire, but good words inspire much action.

Depends on the actions, depends on the words.

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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/6/2010 10:31:28 PM   
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Action can exist without words but words can't exist without the action of speaking or writing.

Action wins.

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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/6/2010 10:42:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Action can exist without words but words can't exist without the action of speaking or writing.

Action wins.


Yes... we were grunting in Africa long before we invented those silly things called "words"...

Who needs words when I can have a male beat me over the head with a rock and do his thang... I love an action man

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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/6/2010 10:44:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Yes... we were grunting in Africa long before we invented those silly things called "words"...

Who needs words when I can have a male beat me over the head with a rock and do his thang... I love an action man


9 times out of 10 I'd rather be passionately kissed than hear a sonnet about my beauty.

The other 1/10 of the time he damn well better kiss me after.

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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/6/2010 10:49:24 PM   
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I prefer to be called dirty names and be ordered around... we all have our priorities


Seriously, I am stimulated by words... not sonnets necessarily, but the ability of a man to use clever language is a weakness for me

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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/6/2010 10:57:32 PM   
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Oh no doubt I love hearing clever words, a man who can make me laugh, a man who knows how to snark...very sexy. But I also express myself more through looks, touch, dance, a smile...I'd be happier as a deaf mute in a relationship with another deaf mute, only able to express ourselves through action, than I would be as a blind quadraplegic, only able to use words.

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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/7/2010 2:56:36 AM   
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I've always understood the 'pen is mightier than the sword' idiom....to bear absolutely no relation to a words v actions debate.

My understanding is that it is a commentary on diplomacy versus war (or at an individual level - voluntary association versus coercion/force) in order to secure your objectives.

In terms of the words and actions part of the OP - in my view 'actions speak louder than words'. Discussion will revolve around how the world could be and the individual's place in it or how people would like the world to be......actions will tell you how the world actually is.



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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/7/2010 7:08:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Action can exist without words but words can't exist without the action of speaking or writing.

Action wins.


But before we invented verbs, we just sat around doing nothing.

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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/7/2010 10:54:38 AM   
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PhilosoRaptor/VelociRaptor, I truly do love you.



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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/7/2010 11:23:44 AM   
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Neither actions nor words speak, the sword isn't mighty it's an inanimate object and so is a pen.

Words place concepts in minds but the concepts placed depends on the individual and their interpretation of the words.


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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/7/2010 1:46:10 PM   
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Crazy lady loves you, ohshiiiiiii

You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
You may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife
You may ask yourself, "Well, how did I get here?"

Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Into the blue again, after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground

And you may ask yourself, "How do I work this?"
And you may ask yourself, "Where is that large automobile?"
And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful house"
And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful wife"

Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Into the blue again, after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was

Water dissolving and water removing
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Under the water, carry the water
Remove the water from the bottom of the ocean
Water dissolving and water removing

Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Into the blue again, into the silent water
Under the rocks and stones, there is water underground

Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Leting the days go by, water flowing underground
Into the blue again, after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground

You may ask yourself, "What is that beautiful house?"
You may ask yourself, "Where does that highway go to?"
You may ask yourself, "Am I right, am I wrong?"
You may say to yourself, "My God! What have I done?"

Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Into the blue again, into the silent water
Under the rocks and stones, there is water underground

Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground
Into the blue again, after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime, water flowing underground

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
Same as it ever was, look where my hand was

Time isn't holding up, time isn't after us
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
Same as it ever was, hey let's all twist our thumbs
Here comes the twister

Letting the days go by
Letting the days go by
Once in a lifetime
Let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by



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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/7/2010 3:05:46 PM   
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The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr”- Muhammad.

In the context of prosperity and immortality, who do we end up valuing more?

The artists or the warriors?

Who are the most famous ancient Greeks? The ones we hear about most are Homer, Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates. They're men of thoughts and words, not much action.

I'm not really espousing my own thoughts here. I'm just trying to provide a little fuel for the under-powered half of the argument. The greatest power that words probably have is to incite action.

I suppose it starts with an impulse that becomes a thought, that becomes a word, that becomes an action.


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RE: PhilosoRaptor: 1st Edition! - 8/7/2010 4:34:13 PM   
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Ah   -  Raptor Ravings!

My shrink told me once that physical actions hurt , but that hurt goes away, but verbal actions last forever   -   the gift that keeps on giving!  Thats why a lot of women have self esteem issues - we tend to internalize things we are told by those we love or respect, and don't just laugh them off.

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