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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 9:58:31 AM

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I have sun here... what are the other perks?

Not before noon one day this week

I am in the Sierras, I have sun every day all day long until I go home on Monday

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 10:14:34 AM

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I have zero debts. Zilch. And I buy all my own hamburger.

But I'm thinking of turning my street into a twue socialist barter economy. The guy up the street will fix next doors computer for a couple of rib eye steaks and a beer. The ubercapitalists around here will have heart attacks because the profit will be social integration, not monetary. It's a win/win.

You should move here. Plus we have sun.

The problem always comes when the person fixing the computer thinks his labor is worth more than the labor it took to render the ribeye.

The Barter system fails and has failed historically due to Greed and Monopoly. Eventually someone has all the chips and if you want to survive you do what they say and agree to their terms. Then comes violence and protection and now people work twice as hard to feed people to protect their way of life and the barter system becomes one of regulating people.

I could go further but I would bore people.

What we need to do is return to foundation style beliefs and acknowledge the idea of humble existance and not breed the focus of excess.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 10:25:08 AM

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I have zero debts. Zilch. And I buy all my own hamburger.

But I'm thinking of turning my street into a twue socialist barter economy. The guy up the street will fix next doors computer for a couple of rib eye steaks and a beer. The ubercapitalists around here will have heart attacks because the profit will be social integration, not monetary. It's a win/win.

You should move here. Plus we have sun.

The problem always comes when the person fixing the computer thinks his labor is worth more than the labor it took to render the ribeye.

The Barter system fails and has failed historically due to Greed and Monopoly. Eventually someone has all the chips and if you want to survive you do what they say and agree to their terms. Then comes violence and protection and now people work twice as hard to feed people to protect their way of life and the barter system becomes one of regulating people.

I could go further but I would bore people.

What we need to do is return to foundation style beliefs and acknowledge the idea of humble existance and not breed the focus of excess.

QSM

I realise I oversimplified. I was answering hunk after all.

But they are REALLY good steaks.

As for excess, look at how most Western families and especially teenagers live. Those learned habits will be passed to their kids etc.

It's going to get worse before it gets better, if ever.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 10:33:47 AM

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 10:47:36 AM

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I have zero debts. Zilch. And I buy all my own hamburger.

But I'm thinking of turning my street into a twue socialist barter economy. The guy up the street will fix next doors computer for a couple of rib eye steaks and a beer. The ubercapitalists around here will have heart attacks because the profit will be social integration, not monetary. It's a win/win.

You should move here. Plus we have sun.

So. . . are you saying that all one has to do to be reputable around here is to buy their own hamburger?

I buy my own. In BIG packages!

(Yes, I have no idea what buying hamburger has to do with the collapse of the US, although I think we need at least one plague first.)

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 10:56:35 AM

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Any article with the phrase "imperial priorities" isnt worth the pixels that died to write it.

"This great democracy is moving onward to its great destiny. Woe to the man or nation that try to bar its imperial march..... The time given to athletic contests and to the injuries occurred on the playing field are part of the price which the English speaking race has paid for being world-conquerors."

Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge in a commencement address to the Harvard Class of 1896. (from The War Lovers by Evan Thomas, p 143)

Imperialism? Never crossed our minds.

1896? Couldnt you at least find something in the last 100 years? And imperialist actions, not words?

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 10:57:40 AM

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So. . . are you saying that all one has to do to be reputable around here is to buy their own hamburger?

I buy my own. In BIG packages!

(Yes, I have no idea what buying hamburger has to do with the collapse of the US, although I think we need at least one plague first.)

Was a reference to hunky having a communal moment with his neighbor. He bought the hamburger, she cooked it, or something like that.

After the hunt for meat, a sweet sharing of culinary delight. I do not know if love blossomed that day.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 11:15:11 AM

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So. . . are you saying that all one has to do to be reputable around here is to buy their own hamburger?

I buy my own. In BIG packages!

(Yes, I have no idea what buying hamburger has to do with the collapse of the US, although I think we need at least one plague first.)

Was a reference to hunky having a communal moment with his neighbor. He bought the hamburger, she cooked it, or something like that.

After the hunt for meat, a sweet sharing of culinary delight. I do not know if love blossomed that day.

LOL. She had me over for lunch and ice cream today. I am so blessed! I truly am.

:-)

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 11:21:12 AM

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Was a reference to hunky having a communal moment with his neighbor. He bought the hamburger, she cooked it, or something like that.

After the hunt for meat, a sweet sharing of culinary delight. I do not know if love blossomed that day.

I doubt love blossomed unless it was the woman's husband who got his meat hunted.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 11:40:51 AM

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Right now she is lovingly cutting up some fresh watermellon for us.

Big smiles.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 12:27:56 PM

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With this Obama Economy I heard that it would be "wise" to stay out of the stock market for the next 9 months.

Why? And put your money where? Hanging on to it doesn't earn anything. Interest rates are low.

Or invest on fundamentals (which nearly always works well, practically by definition) and collect dividends while buying a share in solid companies at good prices.

In other words, treat stocks like the part ownership in those companies they are, instead of like some giant casino.

Music, sure, there are some great dividend stocks out there as long as you know that the dividend is "safe."
I wouldn't put my money in a bank or credit union at .75% interest.
But as far as "growth" in the economy over the next year or so many analysts just don't see it. Of course Jim Cramer is "bullish" on a lot of stocks but that's his job.
When there's no growth stocks get punished.
I like a stock called Windstream (WIN). It's a phone co. and a "dividend" stock, not much "growth" there. Cramer likes it too and said the "dividend is safe."
It 's had a range of about $9.50 to $11.75 over the last two years and the yield goes from 8.40 % to 10% (generally)
I've done well by selling it when it hits $11.50 and waiting till it gets into the low "10's". I'm "playing the interest rate."
As it goes up the rate decreases making it "less attractive" so I sell and wait till the interest rate comes back up as it goes down and get more shares.
Nice gig, eh?
It's approaching it's "highs" now so I sold it two weeks ago at $11.42 2,317 shares and I'll wait for a bit till it comes down again.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 12:43:58 PM

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1896? Couldnt you at least find something in the last 100 years? And imperialist actions, not words?

It was widely reported that one of George Bush's staffers scornfully remarked:"You must be one of those reality-based people. We are an empire, we make our own reality.”

During the GWB administration, the Administration actively promulgated the view that during wartime, the powers of the Presidency were unlimited. Literally, without any limit whatsoever.

Those theories have been embraced and firmly cemented in place by the Obama Administration, which claims that it has the right to assasinate any American citizen without a trial or even charges. (I understand the pain it causes you to hear attacks on the Obama Administration, but please endure it).

The Bush/ Obama Administrations also claim the right to kidnap and imprison any citizen of any country, snatching them from the soil of any country in the world, again without trials or charges.
Imagine for a moment if Iran were to snatch an American citizen off the streets of Manhattan, and fly him to Tehran to be imprisoned.

The Bush/ Obama Administrations assert the right to override the soveriegnty of any nation simply because it is in our interest to do so.
Imagine if China were to launch cruise missiles into San Diego, simply to kill a Tibetan "terrorist".

American Administrations dating back to the Cold War assert the need and right to station troops on 1,000 military bases around the world, simply to enforce our will and interests.
Imagine if Russia were to install a military base in Cuba...oh, wait, never mind.

America HAS in fact become what we fought against- a global Empire, not very much different than Britain under Victoria.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 1:05:35 PM

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Rex, I don't understand why Bush and now Obama haven't asked the congress for a declaration of war on al qeada.
It would simplify a lot of things and we wouldn't have to worry about GTMO or torture.
The best way to fight groups like al qeada is not with Army Divisions that just become targets but with spies, assasins, drones, booby traps, mines, chemical and biological warfare, subterfuge, poisoning their water supplies, make it so they can't trust anyone, things like that. And make it "constant" no rest no sleep. You want the CIA and,....."others" involved in it with the military playing a much lesser "support" role such as artillary fire or cruise missiles from ships thousands of miles away or cluster bombs from aircraft when the opportunity presents itself.
If the congress declared war then the CIA could be unleashed to do basically anything they want and they have a formidable bag of tricks to reach into.
There shouldn't be any "rules" hobbling them in eradicating al qeada. This isn't a popularity contest or dog and pony show to show who's more "civilized" in war.
We're using the wrong methods to go after al qeada, "restricted warfare" just won't get the job done in this case.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 1:11:08 PM

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And imperialist actions, not words?

The United States' imperial actions of the 1880s and 1890s are well documented.

But how could it be any other way?.....a large nation with a commercial outlook doesn't set up shop in someone else's country? Anything less is pretty much unheard of.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 1:24:57 PM

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With this Obama Economy I heard that it would be "wise" to stay out of the stock market for the next 9 months.

Why? And put your money where? Hanging on to it doesn't earn anything.

And why should it? I mean, why should owning paper rectangles make you more paper rectangles?

Gold and silver are money, and nothing else.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 3:06:20 PM

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With this Obama Economy I heard that it would be "wise" to stay out of the stock market for the next 9 months.

Why? And put your money where? Hanging on to it doesn't earn anything.

And why should it? I mean, why should owning paper rectangles make you more paper rectangles?

Gold and silver are money, and nothing else.

You are correct. It is astounding that most do not see it that way. They think a paper receipt for gold is - IS - gold. IN recent years- the federal reserve has born into the world- trillions of green pieces of paper that- society claims is as good as gold. A fat finger creates or destroys fortunes- day in- and day out.

Can you imagine- if our great grandparents- were here today to see the disconnect? That green paper is gold?

That these notes- the fat finger makes more of- bonuses for goldman-

but- as to real PMS- how does a fat finger manage the markets?

I do not want interest on my money. What I do want- IS MY MONEY! Not the interest on it. I want the principle- not the crumbs that drop on the floor.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 5:35:50 PM

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overextended large borders, physical and metaphorical

What, wanna give La Raza california? Texas? I kinda like Texas. ROFLMAO

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 5:40:29 PM

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Any article with the phrase "imperial priorities" isnt worth the pixels that died to write it.

"This great democracy is moving onward to its great destiny. Woe to the man or nation that try to bar its imperial march..... The time given to athletic contests and to the injuries occurred on the playing field are part of the price which the English speaking race has paid for being world-conquerors."

Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge in a commencement address to the Harvard Class of 1896. (from The War Lovers by Evan Thomas, p 143)

Imperialism? Never crossed our minds.

And you only had to go back 114 years.
I'm with popeye. And the poor pixels whose lives were wasted.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 5:50:04 PM

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America HAS in fact become what we fought against- a global Empire, not very much different than Britain under Victoria.

Empires occupy other lands, other nations; they control them.

We have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, of course. We have fought wars with them and are preparing to withdraw.
I and A aside, please name the countries we occupy and control.
Global empire my ass.

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RE: This Is What Collapsing Empire Looks Like - 8/7/2010 6:02:10 PM

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1896? Couldnt you at least find something in the last 100 years? And imperialist actions, not words?

What part of the u.s., besides alaska, did we acquire except by force of arms or the threat there of?

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