Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day in the trenches


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day in the trenches Page: <<   < prev  1 2 3 4 [5]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/12/2010 2:13:19 PM   
willbeurdaddy


Posts: 11894
Joined: 4/8/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa

On a personal level, I see no need to erect any building that celebrates a particular faith.  Not there.   Work on inter personal relationships in major cities, put up all the mosques your little heart desires as long as they are not affiliated with 9/11 and all that came with it.   It's just bad form in my book.

People of all beliefs died at ground zero, not just Muslim.   Perhaps it's not racism, but the memory of loved ones blown to bits or crushed beneath concrete that keeps people from wanting to build a place of worship on that site.   Its a place of painful memories, not one of rejoicing and celebration.

Even if the actual building is blocks from the tower site, it's still commemorative of pain, suffering and death.    It's still too fresh in many minds.  It's easy to say we should all join hands and sing Kumbaya....if you weren't one of those who lost a loved family member. 
Lisa


A rare voice of common sense. TY AL.

(in reply to AlwaysLisa)
Profile   Post #: 81
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/12/2010 2:19:27 PM   
thishereboi


Posts: 14463
Joined: 6/19/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Actually I think that had more to do with the fact the christians don't have the reputation for suicide bombers and terrorism.

Ever heard of Northern Ireland? Car bombs rather suicide bombs, but they're bloody good at terrorism. Belfast has quite a reputation for that.


Yes, but most people over here don't think christian when they hear about the IRA, they think Irish. How ever, they are a good example that terrorists are not always darker skinned. I notice you don't hear much about them since 9/11. I have always wondered about that.

_____________________________

"Sweetie, you're wasting your gum" .. Albert


This here is the boi formerly known as orfunboi


(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 82
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/12/2010 2:29:30 PM   
BoiJen


Posts: 2608
Joined: 3/7/2007
Status: offline
I think the reason the IRA is not often talked about today as it was almost 40 years ago now is because it's significantly scaled back it's operations and officially ended it's arms campaign in 2005. Since then, like crazy American extremist groups, there have been a few prominent splinter groups still exist. Kinda like the KKK after the American "Civil" War ended.

boi


_____________________________


Clips of MsKitty doin' stuff to me. Support the fan club, buy a clip today.

(in reply to thishereboi)
Profile   Post #: 83
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/12/2010 2:31:00 PM   
willbeurdaddy


Posts: 11894
Joined: 4/8/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I think the reason the IRA is not often talked about today as it was almost 40 years ago now is because it's significantly scaled back it's operations and officially ended it's arms campaign in 2005. Since then, like crazy American extremist groups, there have been a few prominent splinter groups still exist. Kinda like the KKK after the American "Civil" War ended.

boi



Not to mention the cease fire in 1997.

(in reply to BoiJen)
Profile   Post #: 84
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/12/2010 2:31:06 PM   
VideoAdminTheta


Posts: 3967
Joined: 10/24/2009
Status: offline
VideoAdminSigma has already left a warning on this thread and I second it. I have removed a number of post and do not expect to have to come back and remove others. While I complete my work here, tone it down please. There will not be a third warning. Thank you.

(in reply to thishereboi)
Profile   Post #: 85
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/12/2010 2:47:12 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Actually I think that had more to do with the fact the christians don't have the reputation for suicide bombers and terrorism.

Ever heard of Northern Ireland? Car bombs rather suicide bombs, but they're bloody good at terrorism. Belfast has quite a reputation for that.


Yes, but most people over here don't think christian when they hear about the IRA, they think Irish. How ever, they are a good example that terrorists are not always darker skinned. I notice you don't hear much about them since 9/11. I have always wondered about that.

I think it's mostly because that's been winding down for years. Of course, until somebody pointed out the double standard involved, Bush was quite happy to play host to Gerry Adams every St Paddy's day, and Colin Powell saw no reason not to attend Noraid fundraisers. I don't think anybody payed much attention to it once the war on terror bandwagon got rolling as they thought being seen to do something about forty years of tacit support for an organisation that provided terrorists in an allied country with funding might make them look like two faced vermin.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to thishereboi)
Profile   Post #: 86
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/12/2010 2:50:09 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
Might?



_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 87
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/12/2010 2:59:02 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
The thing that always makes me laugh about that is the way the reprisal attack on Tripoli came at the height of IRA activities in the UK during the '80s. If Reagan felt funding terrorists in opposition to his country's interests was a good enough reason to go after Ghadaffi, then maybe Thatcher should have found the nerve to bomb Washington flat over half of Oxford street getting blown up every Christmas. Okay, it wasn't as bad as the '70s campaigns that gutted Birmingham, but it was still plenty bad enough.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 88
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/12/2010 3:06:17 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
Thatcher didnt care about anything but sucking Reagans dick.
much like Bliar and Bush


_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 89
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/12/2010 3:11:55 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
Well, as Trident turned out to be even less independent than a quadraplegic derelict, it isn't like the ridiculous sow could have done anything about it anyway.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 90
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/13/2010 1:20:13 PM   
GotSteel


Posts: 5871
Joined: 2/19/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen
When some crazy white guy commits a crime because of his feelings toward the government, we ask why? and get the answer..."Aryan Nation", "Local Militia", etc. Then we blame those groups.

When a group of crazy middle eastern guys run planes into buildings and someone claiming to be organizing them says it's for their God and their religion tells them this was necessary. Then we blame the religious group.

That makes sense to me. However what we don't do is blame the Lutherans because the Catholic Church has an issue with gays or the KKK has an issue with black people.

(in reply to BoiJen)
Profile   Post #: 91
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/13/2010 2:43:18 PM   
GotSteel


Posts: 5871
Joined: 2/19/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
The 1st amendment doesnt have a thing to do with it.

Really?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/billofrights

Are you sure about that?

Yes, Im sure about that.

Could you walk me through your thought process? It seems to me that the reason they get to build this establishment of their religion despite how widely unpopular and inappropriate it's considered by the majority is because the first amendment grants them the right.

< Message edited by GotSteel -- 8/13/2010 3:14:18 PM >

(in reply to willbeurdaddy)
Profile   Post #: 92
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/13/2010 7:18:56 PM   
thornhappy


Posts: 8596
Joined: 12/16/2006
Status: offline
Regarding mass shootings - many are attributed to disgruntled workers, not their political beliefs.  This has happened everywhere from Post Offices (aka "going postal"), factories, warehouses, etc.  You can shoot a place up and not be affiliated with a terrorist or hate group...until they find said literature in your dwelling or on your PC!

(in reply to GotSteel)
Profile   Post #: 93
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/13/2010 7:51:02 PM   
THELADY


Posts: 116
Joined: 7/2/2004
Status: offline
not all Muslims believe the mosque should be built at ground zero, from the Boston globe, Boston.com:

One such individual is Zuhdi Jasser, a physician, US Navy veteran, and founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy.Jasser reminisced last week about his family’s history of building mosques in the heartland communities where they lived. His parents, Syrian immigrants to the United States, helped create the Fox Valley Islamic Center in Neenah, Wis., in 1980. “This was during the Iranian hostage crisis,’’ he recalled, “and some of the local residents wanted the Zoning Commission to prevent the mosque from going forward.’’ But the commissioners gave their blessing to the project, and the modest mosque — the construction budget was just $80,000 — became part of the neighborhood. Later the family later moved to western Arkansas, where they joined with others to create the Islamic Center of Fort Smith. As recently as March, Jasser came out in support of Muslims in Sheboygan, Wis., whose plans for a new place of worship were meeting with vocal resistance.But he adamantly opposes the ground zero mosque.“For us, a mosque was always a place to pray, to be together on holidays — not a way to make an ostentatious architectural statement,’’ Jasser said. “Ground zero shouldn’t be about promoting Islam. It’s the place where war was declared on us as Americans.’’ To use that space for Muslim outreach, he argues, is “the worst form of misjudgment.’’Equally opposed is Stephen Suleyman Schwartz, a devout Muslim and director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism in Washington.Schwartz notes that the spiritual leader of the Cordoba Initiative, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, describes himself as a Sufi — a Muslim focused on Islamic mysticism and spiritual wisdom. But “building a 15-story Islamic center at ground zero isn’t something a Sufi would do,’’ according to Schwartz, also a practitioner of Sufism. “Sufism is supposed to be based on sensitivity toward others,’’ yet Cordoba House comes across as “grossly insensitive.’’ He rejects Rauf’s stance that a highly visible Muslim presence at ground zero is the way to make a statement opposing what happened on 9/11. Better, in his view, is the approach of many Muslims “who hate terrorism and who have gone privately to the site and recited prayers for the dead silently and unperceived by others.’’

(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 94
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/13/2010 7:51:27 PM   
Rule


Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
the IRA

I notice you don't hear much about them since 9/11. I have always wondered about that.

Say, you are right!

Let me speculate: The people who used to instigate the IRA activities, these days are occupied by contributing to the pacification of Iraq and Afghanistan.

(in reply to thishereboi)
Profile   Post #: 95
RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day... - 8/16/2010 9:33:35 PM   
GotSteel


Posts: 5871
Joined: 2/19/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: THELADY
not all Muslims believe the mosque should be built at ground zero

You do understand that no one is talking about building one at ground zero don't you?

(in reply to THELADY)
Profile   Post #: 96
Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 3 4 [5]
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: The Christian right prepares itself for another day in the trenches Page: <<   < prev  1 2 3 4 [5]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094