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SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 10:48:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

So my mother who was the partner for my father should not receive a couple of hundred extra for not remarrying after being widowed?

You cannot serious.. My father never got a fucking DIME of that money... my mom worked her ass off her entire life for everything she got. She had to wait until she was retired to get any of that money as it was.


But your statement says she did not remarry not because she didnt find someone who didnt want to but because it meant shed loose that extra couple hundred bucks.

And sweetheart... just so you realize... I have worked my ass off for 6 years and will for about 50 more... and I wont ever see a DIME of the money I put in because by the time IM able to retire it will have been used up.

So don't go off on the plight of oh my dad never got any of the money he paid in.

If your mother was able to get by or remarry and had chosen not to... to simply get extra money, then shes was part and is part of the systems problem.



juliaoceania -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:04:29 PM)

I called you a fucking idiot and wasn't going to argue the point with you... but....

Why the fuck should ANYONE feel like they have to get married for any fucking reason? My mom did not want to get married because she had her kids, was over 40, and saw no reason to...

You have no clue what it is to be a woman in the 1960s. They did not work as much, they did not have careers, and they didn't go to college as much...For you to judge a woman who is now in her 60s based upon your life experience shows how fucking ignorant you really are... and a jackass too



SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:16:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
My mom would not remarry because she was determined that she would collect my father's social security because he never saw a dime of it.


This is why I commented. It doesnt say it was so hard on my mother, it doesnt say, she didnt want to get remarried, or whatever reason. This comment is PURE spite and say your mother was going to collect NO MATTER WHAT because your father couldn't.

If that's the case... Then because no one of my generation will be able to collect we shouldnt have to pay into it, I should get that extra 200 bucks back in every paycheck, Because I wont see it when Im able to retire, Then again when im able to retire the age will be 85..

My comments arent based in your mothers ability to have a career or anything other then the fact your post comes as she collected for pure spite of the issue alone.

And I would hope you would be able to keep the personal insults out of your posts. It only makes your argument look weaker because you cant keep it subjective.



Marini -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:20:50 PM)

jiminy crickets, julia!

Are you displaying you're great and grand powers of debating now?
Should I be taking notes?

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YOU and Domiguy are the king of the great debaters!!

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LMAO
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OMG!!!

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you are a class act!

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juliaoceania -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:24:23 PM)

When I was 16 Reagan cut my mother's widow's benefits. He also cut benefits to orphaned college students. My sister had to quit college, and i did not get to go. Now perhaps if you were my mother, you would want to make sure that you got what you worked for. She put in years as an economic partner to my father, enabled him to work by taking care of him and his home. Perhaps you do not think that is a valuable service, but there was a time when it was valued by Social Security and they paid widow benefits... unfortunately that was cut...

So what you are saying is that my mom should have to get less, orphans should get less... not that our government should have left the fund alone instead of funding the Cold War with it, and probably that boondoggle called "Star Wars"



juliaoceania -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:28:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marini

jiminy crickets, julia!

Are you displaying you're great and grand powers of debating now?
Should I be taking notes?

You are doing a marvelous job demonstrating the fine powers of debating, and backing up your O P I N I O N S.

YOU and Domiguy are the king of the great debaters!!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LMAO
ROFL

OMG!!!

POT KETTLE BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You have the audacity to judge me!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you are a class act!

I love this place![sm=line.gif]


Why not I attack your mother and see how fast you blow your top

Edited to add... you know what MsMia... forget it, you are right.... you are much more intelligent than I... my hat off to you..[:D]



SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:30:48 PM)

What Im saying Is that it by your logic i shouldnt and no one of my generation should have to pay the tax, and they we should receive the money back because WE ARENT GOING TO SEE IT AT ALL.

What Im saying Is that it shouldnt be used to fund wars (if you had read my previous posts) It shouldnt be given out to people who arent actually disabled, and it shouldnt be used out of spite.

IF the fund was being used properly and NOT misappropriated this wouldnt be an issue.

But now that it has, it should be fixed, by fixing the salaries of those who are being funded by our dime, It should be fixed by regaining money in such wars and raising the age is going to do no good at all.

You need to understand I see people who i know personally can work and choose not to who receive money upwards of 3 grand a month, who dont deserve it who arent of retiring age and receive the money.



juliaoceania -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:37:00 PM)

My mother, for example, was not educated. She was a waitress. She needed that money to retire. She has osteoarthritis and osteoporosis so bad that she became disabled by the time she was 59. This woman still gives everything to everyone. She gives money to panhandlers, to cancer research, to everyone but herself. The woman is dear, and she still works as hard as her failing body allows her. She wanted to keep working, but she couldn't. She did not remarry because she did a calculation, she would lose the benefits my father paid in and risk that for a new marriage that may not work. If she married some man and they divorced, she would lose resources she could not replace... that is far from refusing to remarry out of spite, it was a matter of necessity

Want to hear something sad? Seniors often do not get remarried for the same reason... if they get remarried they lose resources, so they shack up, and who can blame them?



SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:43:13 PM)

Again, I understand your situation and where you side comes from, but in Pennsylvania, you can continue to collect off of your spouses Social security even if you remarry.

My side of the situation is I see the system grossly abused in my area, I see people who lift 60 pound coolers and carry them to the pool,  when they have a bad back and cant work, I see people who are so bi polar, they they cant work and their mother also gets money to care for her, but she can go to school on the tax payers dime.

I can not go to college because my mother could not afford to keep everything running when my father died, she was not eligible to collect those widows benifits because she made too much money (a total of 10 dollars to much.) I understand how much an extra few bucks can help. But the point is raising the age isnt going to fix it, and what needs to happen is the qualifications need to be assessed and if you see someone abusing the system there has to be a way to report it. but its not going to change because I beg and plead, and I have the knowledge my 200 bucks every 2 weeks, goes to helping my mother (who was a woman of the 50s) and her friends ( all women of the 50s, who had the same situation of your mother with the ability to go to college and such) get some extra cash.





juliaoceania -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:49:35 PM)

I misjudged your post to me, and I am sorry.. there are two people in this world I am very protective of, one is my mother... she is an angel.. I would say I am the bitch in the family, but that title belongs to my sister[:D]



SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:52:35 PM)

It is fine, I take things for how they are worded and at times a bit to literal. So I am sorry for comming across as attacking. But my mother whos almost 70 can not retire even with the social security, because of the cost of living.



juliaoceania -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:54:47 PM)

My mom has to live with my brother since I went to grad school because she cannot afford it either. She is lucky, 3 of her kids fight over who she will live with, not all seniors are so lucky to have their children want them around



SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:57:34 PM)

I am a grandchild, my parents took me in and raise me when they didnt have to and worked for about 21 years more then what they had to, to support me and my sister. I've put off moving out because I know it will be hard for her to afford the rent. She has found who it is shed like to be with for the rest of her life and im sliding out the door for her to have that, with the If you need it fund set aside.



kdsub -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/8/2010 11:59:29 PM)

This is nothing new… they have already raised the retirement age in the past. I have a few ideas…why not tie the retirement age to 15 years below the average lifespan. As the lifespan increases so would the retirement age. This would at least keep the benefit output fairly study over time and allow the accumulated funds to build.

And mandate that SS be funded properly in any and every budget year...before any other program other than national defense.

AND STOP BORROWING from the fund and pay back what has been borrowed. Separate the fund from all others and raise or lower rates as projected costs will require.

Butch



tazzygirl -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 12:02:58 AM)

Average lifespan in the US for Whites... 78.

For blacks... 71.



kdsub -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 12:04:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Average lifespan in the US for Whites... 78.

For blacks... 71.


Every link I can find says the overall average is 78 to 79 but adjust as needed.



Musicmystery -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 5:23:32 AM)

I wonder how many of those screaming "bankruptcy" (and SS still has an almost 3 trillion dollar surplus--which the US borrowed from the SS funds via Treasury Bills) have ever read their SS benefits estimate?

Given what I've paid and what my employers paid (which, after all, was paid on my behalf, and is part of my compensation package) combined, and given what I and they will still pay in, whether I retire at 67 or 70, it will still take about ten years just to collect that money back. Then it's a matter of how long and whether I live past 77/80.

But wait--we haven't figured in any interest on all that money for decades! Even at modest rates, say, 5%, this would more than double that benefit pool. Now I'm at 87/90.

But wait! We haven't accounted for inflation yet--I'm getting back 21st century dollars for more more expensive 20th century payments. A 1980 dollar, for example, is worth $2.57 in 2009 dollars--and I've still got a ways to go until retirement! This again more than doubles the pool. Now I'm funded through age 107/110 plus.

And the same is true for you, as your benefits and payments are determined by the same percentages and formulas as mine.

That SS is going to run itself bankrupt is just bull. It doesn't matter how many workers there are per retirees. Or what the retirement age is currently (and it's already changed, from 65 to just under 67). You paid for it. Collect it.




tazzygirl -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 5:53:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Average lifespan in the US for Whites... 78.

For blacks... 71.


Every link I can find says the overall average is 78 to 79 but adjust as needed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy



servantforuse -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 6:04:02 AM)

Julia explains very well why social security will soon be broke. It was originally set up as a retirement suppliment. This program was never intended to foot the bill for college expences if the father happened to die. SS pays for numerous other programs and giveaways that it shouldn't be used for.



Musicmystery -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 6:06:38 AM)

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SS pays for numerous other programs and giveaways that it shouldn't be used for.


Oh really. Do offer the details.

Include what they cost.

*yawn*



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