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tazzygirl -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 9:53:16 PM)
I dont think that is what willbe was referring too. Its about how the parent can collect based upon the child's disability. It could be that the state is paying the parent to care for the child at home, certainly alot cheaper than a residential facility for the adult child, i suppose.

SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 9:56:06 PM)
I understand that however, the main issue I have is that shes paid disability when she can work, in fact she does work under the table to supplement her income, so if she can do work that way she can get a job....

tazzygirl -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 10:20:48 PM)
Who works?

SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 10:22:01 PM)
The "friend" with Bi polar, She baby sits under the table in the area....

tazzygirl -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 10:23:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance The "friend" with Bi polar, She baby sits under the table in the area.... The same friend whom you wrote this about? quote: A "friend" is bi polar, She is to unstable to work she receives from ssi 1690 a month, her mother to care for her because she cant work receives 1690, a month, and she receives 1245 a month for her baby.

SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 10:25:43 PM)
Yup. Its why I have an issue with the system.

tazzygirl -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 10:32:52 PM)
And i have an issue with people complaining about the fraud within the system... any system... yet who do nothing about said fraud. If you are going to complain, then report it. If you arent going to report... then dont complain.

SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 10:35:25 PM)
Ive reported it more then once however nothing has come of reporting it, I have mentioned as such in previous posts.

tazzygirl -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/9/2010 10:38:31 PM)
All i have seen you say is you were "conflicted". As others have pointed out, someone can be legally or medically disabled but still be able to work. One can be legally blind without being totally blind. You did your part, you reported the fact. It could be they ignored you, it could be they have facts you dont have.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/10/2010 5:00:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl All i have seen you say is you were "conflicted". As others have pointed out, someone can be legally or medically disabled but still be able to work. One can be legally blind without being totally blind. You did your part, you reported the fact. It could be they ignored you, it could be they have facts you dont have. I think you are getting posters mixed up. I said I was "conflicted" about my neighbor getting disability. Unless she said that as well, but I think you are mixing people up, that are complaining about perceived disability fraud.

DarkSteven -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/10/2010 5:27:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven This would be completely unacceptable in private enterprise. Incorrect. Retirement age is being raised in hundreds of private retirement plans. Currently it is only from early retirement to age 65, but 65 will move up before too long. Raising SS retirement age is totally appropriate, and I dont think it even needs to be protected for those between 40 and 50, maybe even higher. Demographics of the work force are changing. Fewer and fewer people even want to retire at 62 or 65. The retirement age issue would resove itself if SS didnt provide actuarial increases for delayed retirement. Pay the same benefit to an age 70 retiree as an age 66 retiree with the same earnings history and a good portion of the savings of an increase in retirement age would be realized. I think you misread (or I miswrote) my post. I was not meaning to say that cost cutting did not occur in private enterprise. I meant to say that it never occurs as an isolated practice, without first determining how bad the problem is, what other means could be used, and whether the cuts would fix the problem. The mentality of "We're short money, so we'll cut XX or YY as a short term fix" is the government's way of dealing with this as a one-shot deal without addressing the underlying problems. What really concerns me is that the bureaucracy would survive intact, with all the attendant costs of administering it, while the benefits that it disbursed would be reduced.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/10/2010 7:04:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy She may be getting payments from a state program but there is no such thing as the parent of a disabled adult getting Social Security payments based on the disability of the child, caregiver or not. http://www.ssa.gov/dibplan/dqualify10.htm A child under age 18 may be disabled, but we don't need to consider the child's disability when deciding if he or she qualifies for benefits as your dependent. The child's benefits normally stop at age 18 unless he or she is a full-time student in an elementary or high school (benefits can continue until age 19) or is disabled. For a child with a disability to receive benefits on your record after age 18, the following rules apply: The disabling impairment must have started before age 22, and; He or she must meet the definition of disability for adults. Thank you for proving my point. There is nothing about her caregiver getting benefits, is there?

Nosathro -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/10/2010 12:03:39 PM)
I do not believe that there is a mandatory retirement age. However much of this debet about Social Security maybe mute. I have read that as of now Social Security is now in the red, meaning more money is leaving the trust then being taken in. This is due to a large number of people taking early retirement. This is due to the high unemployment, older unemployed who have exhausted their unemployment insurance and will due to the age not return to employment are voluntary retiring earlier. They will not receive full Social Security benefits if they retired at the 65 years of age goal. This will last until about 2012 when more money will be going into the trust then leaving it, but in 2015 the trust will return to the red when many of the "baby bommers" hit 65 and again more money will leave the trust then being deposited, this situation the Trustee say will not end and will deplet the trust fund, bankruptying Social Security.[font]

Musicmystery -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/10/2010 12:40:49 PM)
No. Social Security is in the black through 2037. Perhaps you're confusing this with the disability portion. http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/08/medicare_outlook_healthy_to_st.html Currently Social Security holds nearly 3 trillion dollars in assets. http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/10/2010 4:32:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro I do not believe that there is a mandatory retirement age. However much of this debet about Social Security maybe mute. I have read that as of now Social Security is now in the red, meaning more money is leaving the trust then being taken in. This is due to a large number of people taking early retirement. This is due to the high unemployment, older unemployed who have exhausted their unemployment insurance and will due to the age not return to employment are voluntary retiring earlier. They will not receive full Social Security benefits if they retired at the 65 years of age goal. This will last until about 2012 when more money will be going into the trust then leaving it, but in 2015 the trust will return to the red when many of the "baby bommers" hit 65 and again more money will leave the trust then being deposited, this situation the Trustee say will not end and will deplet the trust fund, bankruptying Social Security.[font] There is no mandatory retirement age under SS, not sure what that was a reference to. What you think you have read is not correct, but not your fault, MSM got or spun it wrong for the headlines. The trust is still growing because tax receipts + interest > benefits + expenses. It is only indirectly related to early retirement. Social Security benefits are reduced for early retirement on pretty close to an actuarially equivalent basis. It does reduce the tax base for future taxation. Morever, early retirements have slowed down considerably thanks to the financial crisis. People cant afford to any longer.

Nosathro -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/11/2010 10:58:22 AM)
Nope not MSM but CNN, New York Times, USA Today and the Washingtion Times. It was annocued by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelus. www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/business/.../25social.html www.usatoday.com/.../2010-02-07-social-security-red-retirements_N.htm www.washingtontimes.com/.../2010/.../social-security-red-first-time-ever/ money.cnn.com/2010/.../social_security.../index.htm [ /size]

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Should the age to receive social security be raised? (8/11/2010 11:19:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Nope not MSM but CNN, New York Times, USA Today and the Washingtion Times. It was annocued by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelus. www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/business/.../25social.html www.usatoday.com/.../2010-02-07-social-security-red-retirements_N.htm www.washingtontimes.com/.../2010/.../social-security-red-first-time-ever/ money.cnn.com/2010/.../social_security.../index.htm [ /size] What do you think the MSM is?

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