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For the OP's original discussion...
When it comes to the stilmulus bill, the Republican Party is very much on record for getting facts screwed up, then mixed in with opinions and out right lies. When the bill was first being pushed through, the GOP made a number of annoucements that such a thing was not needed. Of course, their lost to the Democratic Party was still fresh on people's mind, and so, most figured this was their way to 'lash out'. As we saw in the every election for a decade, the amount of misinformation being put in place of the facts, kept growing. Republicans pushed to the public, that the 'Spending Spree' was only for six months. That the USA, was spending something like $878 Billion, for six months. AND, it was all, (100%), being applied to the national debt. This was, I think, to hide from the public, the staggering amount of debt already on the books. Not that the Republican Party would ever lie, to cover something up.....
Well, six months came and went, and the money set aside for the Stilimulus Bill was not exhausted. So Republicans retooled their propaganda, to say, it was for one year. That's right, we are spending nearly a $1 trillion on Stimulus (yes, because $878 billion is 'close' to a trillion)! And that it was going towards 'the welfare', 'the poor', the 'illegal immigrants', and being used to promote a 'Socialist Agenda, to turn us in to communists'. Oh yes, I can't quite give it that 'Conservative Conspiracy' rant, like you conservatives can; I guess I'm just....sane. During this time, the Health Care Act was starting up. Republicans tried EVERYTHING in their power, to link, or make factual the following: Stilmulus + Health Care 'Reform' = Socialism. Unfortunately, that arguement, like the 'Trickle Down Theory of Economics' proved to be bogus and highly inaccurate.
After a year's time, but before those Census workers started, the economy was starting to look good again. Yes, it had its problems, but, things started to look better. The leading indicators were showing positive results. And at the time, the stimulus was doing exactly as designed. THEN....enter the Republicans. Oh, the GOP did not take a vacation from their conspiracies or out-right-lies. Oh no, they were spewing out more black garbage, then the pipe in the Gulf of Mexico. As their mentality is sad and deluded: If the USA Fails = The Economy Fails = Obama Fails = Republicans Win! That literally is the equation, I observe from Republicans. Every bill, every vote, every confirmation to fill a position (from the janitor on up), as been attacked, blocked, filibustered, stalled, or attack again and again. Some of them get through. But in the end, the GOP is the 'Party of No!'. Even on the health care, Republicans were trying to screw up ANYTHING, to make Mr. Obama look bad.
But then, isn't THAT the concept that got Republicans (and more importantly, our nation), in trouble in the first place: Being irresponsible? It is the role of the minority power, to always present the facts and information regarding the issue. They have everything to gain, from reporting facts and figures, that the majority in power, doesnt want made public. And that system has worked for the country for nearly a hundred years. Of course, that was working, until somewhere in the mid to late 1990's. Then the shift with the Republican party, from Good to Evil took place. Since then, the Republican Party has operated on the idea, that facts are the same as opinions: everyone has one. There is no real effort to distinquish facts from mindless crap. And conservatives, accept it all, verbatum, and without question. Its rather ironc to think about it. Here is a party, that bitchs, high and wide, about about our country becoming a 'Socialism', 'Communism' or even 'Facsism' (Kind of like this Movie...). And yet, they listen to only a narrow set of media sources (like one or two). Further still, those media sources put up 15 parts 'opinion' to every 1 part 'fact'. The end result? A group of people that are quite literally, controlled like a mindless ramble. Need an example?
Back during the final stages of the Health Care debate, the Tea Party held rallies across the nation, and as part of its 'Tea Party Express'. Those that went to it, brought signs to support the idea/rail against those 'evil, communists, marxists, socialists, nazis, (censored), (censored), (censored)' [***GASP FOR AIR**}], 'ignorant, stupid, hateful, twisted, (censored), mother-(censored), un-American, democrats'. Hell, my second attempt to do the 'Conservative Conspiracy' rant, and it just doesn't have that 'authentic' level of hatred that you conservatives do so well at. I just like this link, it helps explain it.
So....
In the time since losing to Democrats, the Office of the President, Congress (House and Senate), and two key (or is it just one?) US Supreme Court slots (not to mention a numerous other positions); what have the Republicans given to this country?
Thanks to Democrats,
There is someone looking out for small business owners, and average Americans. Mr. Obama took the money from the big bank bailouts, and put it towards smaller banks, to help remove the toxic assets on their books. Part of the money, as well as the profit off interest (yes, we actually made money off that venture, folks....dont look so surprised); applied it towards the SBA. That allowed the SBA to cover and grant loans, and to a higher amount, with a lower interest (both good things for a business). Since neither of these, really helped the Republicans, they were against both these projects.
Covering all US Citizens with a health plan. While it should have been better, I understand the reasons why Mr. Obama tried to include Republicans, in forming the bill. We were able to help 30 million Americans, and get those with a pre-existing condition (like AIDS, cancer, mental handicaps, etc), to get covered and treated. Unfortunately, Republicans, by and large, are quite selfish (whether they can admit it). Since the bill didn't help the Republicans, but did, Americans, they were against it.
The financial reform came about, due to the lessons we learned from the ecoomy in the last few years. Years of deregulation of the financial industry helped create alot of the problems have and are, experiencing. Without proper rules, and regulators in place, companies and individuals, were open to take actions that were once deemed illegal and unethical. SEC Civil Fraud Lawsuit, was one of the reasons, this reform had to be made. Otherwise, other financial bodies could do the same, with impunity. Since this would not help those who donate to the Republican Party, take a wild guess what the Republican party did on this bill?
Then we have the responders of the 9/11 tragedy. They wanted some help for what they did that day, regarding health problems. Now, WHICH party, tried to milk 9/11/2001 for every drop it was worth in the last decade? And so, it was surprising, to some, that the Republican party did not jump all over this; but instead, voted against it.
And all these measures have pasted.
The problem with Republicans, STRIKE THAT! One, of numerous, problems the Republicans have, is 'zero principle'. If Republicans were against something on principle, that could be accepted. It would define the party in manners that said, a group of people were adult enough to think for themselves. But as we have seen, in example after example, big and small, this is not the case. Instead, here is how I often observe the problem:
If the Democrats (or Mr. Obama), are for concept A, Republicans are for concept B.
If the Democrats (or Mr. Obama), are for concept B, Republicans are for concept A.
If the Democrats & Mr. Obama, try to take the best of A & B, while minimizing the problems of either A or B; Republicans are for concept C.
During health care, Republicans were asked point blankly "What would have to be on this bill, for you to vote FOR the bill?" And the Republicans, gave a few items, since not doing so, would have made them look like idiots. An so, the Democrats, begrundgingly, put those ideas in to the health care bill. And what happened? Not a single Republican, including the guys who voiced the concepts originally, voted 'For' the bill. The Party under cutted its own principle, and lost credibility. Ever since, Mr. Obama has tried to find what Republicans would want in a bill. He's given it, puts it in the bill: And Republicans vote against it. Sorry, after doing it a few times, the Republicans have now lost all credibility.
We had a problem over the spring and on to the present, regarding the oil industry. Just a 'small' problem, that was 'easily' dealt with, thanks to 'help' given by the Republican Party. When people looked through the history of laws regarding the oil industry; it was not surprising, which political party was always for deregulation: Republicans. The deregulations, seem to be the path that caused the string of events that allowed the actions on the rig, to take place. And did the Republican party feel we should do anything to help Americans effected by their irresponsible actions? Course not!
History seems to be the Republicans real Achille's Heel. Every time they do something stupid and bad, it bites America in the ass soon afterward. And now, thanks to them, we can add 'Torture' to what will happen to our soldiers, when they get captured in the next war. Yes, its understood, that out of every bunch of soldiers catch, a few are taken 'behind the shack' and beated for information. But, now, our soldiers can be beaten....for the bloody hell of it! Did Republicans take responsibility for allowing this practice to happen and contuine? Course not. Why hold Republicans accountable to their actions? Conservatives will just mindlessly vote for them in the next election anyways.
Why should we REALLY expect Republicans to do things FOR AMERICA? Out of their 'Good Hearts' and deep 'Acts of Charity and Humanity'? Because they have 'Knowledge', 'Compassionate', and 'Wisdom'? That they are for ALL Americans, and not just a few percentage points under 5%
Could any of you conservatives explain it to me? In detail please (that means longer then 10 actual sentences). Since, there is ALOT of reasons, not to hire Republicans back in to office, any time soon.
I think, if Republicans lost seats, in the next election, one of two things would actually happen (not that I expect this outcome): A) The Republican Party rethinks itself for 2012, and decides to clean up its crap, OR B) Become even more draconian, more hateful, more angry, and set the stage for ANOTHER, Act of Extremism!
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