joether
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joether so a Left leaning site like Truth Out countered by a right leaning Heritage Foundation site is not balanced enough for you? (two of the three sources I cited)
How often do you seem me posting stuff from the Huffington Post?
I just dont consider that publication 'fair' or 'factual'. It does lean to one side of the arguement, regardless of the facts. The idea with news, is, it should report the facts, THEN, allow others to argue 'for' or 'against'. In this day and age, one has to look at multiple sources just to get all the facts, minus the agenda/bullcrap. Neither it (the Huffington Post) or Fox News, really do this country a word of good. Its driving Americans down a really dangerous road.
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ORIGINAL: Archer
The point is someone claimed it was a Republican Bill...
Health Care Act, was a Republican bill? Who was sniffing the glue? While, Mr. Romney help created Mass Health for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, he didn't write the bill. And a large part of that system, was the basis for the Health Care Act itself. So in the end, the person(s) who actually wrote the bill, originally, were not even from this decade, but several ago and sadly.....lost to history. But I would say, my state's own, former Senator, Edward Kennedy, was a champion for health care!
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People on the left trying to make the law as passed seem to be closer to center than it in fact was.
There was no 'trying to appear', it actually was closer to the center. Unless one thinks like the 'modern day' conservatives, then yes, it is NOT, close to center. But, in a conservative's viewpoint, when they argue, they believe themselves, 'closer to center' on an issue. So, it does work both ways, doesnt it?
As Fox News, often 'reported' that a 'majority' of Americans were 'for', what they were pushing on the airwaves. Or do you, Archer, consider Fox News, wholly credible, news source?
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The passage of the bill regardless of how you feel about it was a piece of political arm twisting within the democrat party.
I believe you are referring to the Blue Dog Democrats?
Yes, they got greedy on the health care act. They felt, they could hold 'health care' hostage from the DNC, in return for things they wanted. This in turn, created other alliances to form, to demand, equal treatment. I'm sure you can imagine, how this ends in most organizations: removal of the offending party. In this case, the 'Blue Dogs' are seen less in the news, and not surprisingly, less favor from the DNC in terms of support. This may or may not be, for the good of the Democratic party. But then again, the longer the Republican party pushs out liberals and moderates, the more it causes those people to form another party (Republican, but liberal perspective on issues).
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The most amazing part was that it took the democrats so long to cobble together something they could agree to and pass.
Longer then it should have! You've been in the lifestyle longer then myself; I would think, you knew quite a few people who suffer from deep medical issues (without medical support). Do you really want Americans to suffer, because, the USA, could not afford $89 Billion/year on Health Care? To make sure, 330+ million, US Citizens, can get access to health care. Take a guess how much we give the defense budget every year. If we can spend, nearly ten times, on Defense, as we did for Health Care, why are Republicans NOT complaining?
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They had the solid filibuster proof majority for awhile there and still they barely made this Bill pass the Senate. The conditions at the time were what a Solid majority in the House and no chance it wouldn't pass and 60 Democrat super majority that could pass any law they wanted without a single Republican vote, and a Democrat President who handed the reigns over to the Congress and said write up the healthcare bill and send it to me.
Yes, but the 'super majority' should be used on the moments of importance. Not cheaply wasted, using it EVERY time, something comes before either the House or Senate. And that, you have to admit, has been happening for two years now. Should Democrats have to have a 'Super Majority' over EVERY single thing, that goes in to either the House or Senate? That's not a democracy, that's a dictatorship. But, that seems what the Republicans want this nation to become, given their actions.
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Yeah tough to get a bill passed when you have the House Majority, The Senate majority (filibuster proof at 60 votes) and the President all behind the idea.
At least the Democrats didn't use FEAR, to get the bill to past.
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