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littlewonder -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 2:10:06 PM)
I keep laughing when I read these posts about her having all these children is selfish. eerrmm..having ONE child is just as selfish. I have one child. I only had one for selfish reasons. I don't have the patience for anymore and I wanted my life back. How much more selfish can a person be??? Not having any children at all is even more selfish. lol People are selfish. Makes no difference how many children are involved.

MsNightShade -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 2:31:46 PM)
Just because a child turns 18 doesn't mean that the parents stop being responsible for them financially, emotionally or otherwise. Any parent I would imagine could tell you that. I agree with those that say they CAN and still do have the RIGHT in this country to have as many kids as you want. Our socialistic government hasnt taken that away yet. It also hasnt taken away the RIGHT and ABILITY to have an opinion either. So IMO, these people are religeous fanatics. They are following a set of stories written in a book centuries ago from oral tradition and several hand accounts after the actual events. Thats it. Its their interpretation of said stories. This sort of fanatisizim, while ridiculous, irresponsible, glamorized and just plan stupid, isn't as bad as say the fanatasizim that created the crusades or the jehadist terrorism that did and does exist. That sort of behavior is a whipped up frenzy of the few to use the masses for the purposes of the few and the instrament to play masses on is the church. I tend to be hostile to such fanatics, keeps them at arms length. This couple has reached the end off the common sense rope and simply refuse to tie a knot at the end of it. I dont care what sect of religeon they follow. What is at issue for me is the fact that the woman is putting her own life at risk to pump out yet another unit that could very well end up severely handicapped. The man doesnt have enough sense or enough care for his wife to not put her life at risk. Neither of them have the sense to think about the rest of their litter either if the mother passes away. I can't respect people that cant think behind the end of their beliefs.

juliaoceania -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 2:37:26 PM)
quote: Just because a child turns 18 doesn't mean that the parents stop being responsible for them financially, emotionally or otherwise. Any parent I would imagine could tell you that. Actually, as a mother I can tell you that my "responsibility" did end at 18. Does that mean I cut off support to him? Absolutely I did not, but I am not responsible for him anymore, he is an adult.

AlwaysLisa -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 2:37:38 PM)
I'm wondering how these two will relate once the last kid leaves the house....it's all they have known, constant children. Empty nest syndrome will hit her like a ton of bricks! If she lives that long.

slaveluci -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 3:36:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder I keep laughing when I read these posts about her having all these children is selfish. eerrmm..having ONE child is just as selfish. I have one child. I only had one for selfish reasons. I don't have the patience for anymore and I wanted my life back. How much more selfish can a person be??? Not having any children at all is even more selfish. lol People are selfish. Makes no difference how many children are involved. Touche. I never wanted children and that is, indeed, selfish. The difference between my own selfishness and the Duggars' - imho - is this: They have 19 or 20 or so (frankly, I'm losing count) other little lives that are also affected by their selfishness. In my own selfishness of not having children, no one else is affected. Well, except my Mom who really, really, really wants a granddaughter[;)]........luci

thishereboi -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 4:25:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa I'm wondering how these two will relate once the last kid leaves the house....it's all they have known, constant children. Empty nest syndrome will hit her like a ton of bricks! If she lives that long. My guess is she will have plenty of grandchildren at that point to keep her busy.

windchymes -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 4:37:57 PM)
The Duggars have always been self-sufficient. They live very frugally, buy used instead of new much of the time, have NO debt, and, for three years before their large home was indeed completed with the help of TLC/Discovery network for the television special, they laid the foundation and did the construction with their OWN hands, incorporating construction techniques, budgeting, etc. as part of their home-schooling lessons. I repeat, they have NO DEBT, they pay cash for everything, shop at thrift stores and Aldi's, and do not rely on the government for hand-outs. Jim-Bob Duggar, the father, was a state representative in the U.S. Congress for two terms. They bought and maintain commercial properties for their income. Of course, they've splurged some with what they've been paid by the network, for good cellphones, newer vehicles, etc. But so what? Their kids are well-behaved, and extremely well-adjusted. They all play multiple musical instruments, have chores they call "jurisdictions" that they perform every day in addition to their schoolwork, and they enjoy getting to be a "buddy" to one of the younger brothers or sisters as they grow up. They are just a group of NICE people. Different, yes. Freaks, no. If anyone would like to check out the website that is maintained by the family themselves instead of the drivel in the latest People magazine, here's a link..... http://duggarfamily.com/ Or....just watch the show. Making a correction, Jim-Bob served in the Arkansas House of Representatives for two terms and ran for U.S. Senate in 2003. Sorry for the error!

littlewonder -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 5:26:32 PM)
wonders if they'd be interested in adopting her as their 20th child. LOL. Seriously I would have loved to have grown up in such a family as their's. I mean they all love and care for one another, they're self sufficient, have a strong belief system, morals and values, devote themselves to living as correctly as possible in the eyes of God. I admit I miss that part of my life from my father's family who grew up like that and I would visit on the weekends.

juliaoceania -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 5:56:57 PM)
I grew up with a large extended family... and my own immediate family was not small... 4 kids is not bunches, but it is far from being an only child... my mom had two miscarriages too... I have no feelings of envy for the Duggars, I would not want to be them and I do not feel a hole in my heart having only three siblings... hell, we have enough drama in my family with just the 4 of us. Drama I don't really like...lol

marie2 -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 6:15:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SorceressJ By the time each of their kids marries and has a big family (which they almost certainly will), and THOSE kids each marries and has a big family.. it won't be YOUR problem by then, now will it? Of course, I won't be here either, so it won't be mine. But it'll be someone's.. theirs. Have fun envisioning how these people are going to find work, peace, sustenance, in a world that is already having very serious trouble providing for those who are already here. I maintain: just because you CAN do something, doesn't necessarily mean that you SHOULD. Would that apply to your mother when she had you?? And would that apply to you when you had your kids?? And will it apply to your children when they have children of their own? There was room enough for you and yours to be born, for me and mine, and for all those couples across the US who have only birthed 1, 2 or 3 children. Goodness there must be millions of children who are going to grow up and have kids, and then their kids will have kids and on and on and on..... but these particular twenty people (since they were born to one set of parents) are going to be burdens to society, be completely screwed for successful futures, and fuck-up what's left of the earth? Are you for real??

BoredAsHell -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/15/2010 10:50:39 PM)
having been the sole caregiver for a very ill premature infant, i do understand michelle's statement of being afraid to care for her newest baby on her own. after all those months of having the medical staff right there should something go wrong, once the family is asleep and the friends have gone home, it's scarier than hell to realize that life is truly dependent on you for existence. been there, done that, wore the damn tshirt out. heart monitors and oxygen and all that specialty equipment has a very intimidating feeling sitting in your living room at 3am with no nurse nearby to reassure you. for those of you who have never experienced months in the NICU, you have no idea. thank your respective higher power for that blessing. as for the duggars, i think michelle is seriously mentally unstable if she allows herself to become pregnant again. this was a warning, sew the damn thing shut and tell good old jimbob to be happy with blowjobs because the next one might very well kill her, if not lead to one very seriously messed up kid. i gave up having any more children after giving birth to my oldest, the doctor told me the risks to my own health, let alone the baby were too much to risk. my ex husband wanted me to try again and i refused. yet another reason he's my ex, but i digress. the fact is they truly will have no idea how messed up josie is for many years to come or if by some miracle she's managed to come out of her premature birth and medical problems unscathed. they should consider the fact that she's alive miracle enough and stop this insane behavior while they still have the chance to save michelle's life and keep from having a severely handicapped child or lose a child. it might not kill michelle to have another child, but does jimbob want to be changing diapers on his wife because she had a stroke and is severely handicapped? could he truly handle that and a severely handicapped child as well? they seriously need to have someone sit them down and explain how truly blessed they are, and to not risk any more lives for their "convictions".

thishereboi -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/16/2010 4:54:30 AM)
quote: I tend to be hostile to such fanatics, keeps them at arms length. Do you think this makes you a better person? Are you hostile to anyone who doesn't share your opinions, or is just the religious ones?

TwistedHeart74 -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/16/2010 5:02:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: If I remember right, when this couple first came into the spotlight on t.v. they WERE on government handouts. Your memory might be faulty, perhaps before making such accusations you should back them up with real information.[8\|] And that is why I added "feel free to correct me if I am wrong" to the op that I made :) It wasn't an accusation, if I am incorrect then I was simply incorrect. After watching two episodes of their show and feeling complete disgust I stopped watching.

MsNightShade -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/16/2010 9:15:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: I tend to be hostile to such fanatics, keeps them at arms length. Do you think this makes you a better person? Are you hostile to anyone who doesn't share your opinions, or is just the religious ones? To disagree with my opinion does not induce hostility. Disagreement and discussion are often the mothers of solutions. An opinion is nothing more than an individuals interpretation of the facts or situation as its presented. My hostility is reserved for those that try to shove their opinions/interpretations down my throat as fact. Fanatics tend to do this. Does it make me a better person? I'll leave that up to you to make your own interpretation of. I do know that I sleep well at night and look myself in the eye every morning just fine.

windchymes -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/16/2010 10:10:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder wonders if they'd be interested in adopting her as their 20th child. LOL. Seriously I would have loved to have grown up in such a family as their's. I mean they all love and care for one another, they're self sufficient, have a strong belief system, morals and values, devote themselves to living as correctly as possible in the eyes of God. I admit I miss that part of my life from my father's family who grew up like that and I would visit on the weekends. I completely agree with this post :) Something we all probably forgot was that, whether you believe in God or not, they are demonstrating what human bodies do naturally without contraceptive intervention. It wouldn't be my cup of tea personally to have anywhere near that many kids, but I think they're a beautiful, loving family, and I do enjoy watching the tv shows and seeing how they live and how well Michelle & Jim-Bob teach and lead the family. And no, they have said many times that they have NOT received financial assistance. They simply made a decision when they were young to pay off their debts and from then on, live frugally and debt-free. They bought and leased commercial properties for income, it's actually a lucrative venture. It really makes me sick to read the nasty, judgmental comments people make about them. They really don't deserve it.

lusciouslips19 -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/16/2010 10:58:03 AM)
Wrong thread

purepleasure -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/16/2010 11:09:50 AM)
if this were cats instead of kids, would anyone feel differently about population control?

juliaoceania -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/16/2010 12:15:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: purepleasure if this were cats instead of kids, would anyone feel differently about population control? I find this comment offensive... children are not kittens.... seriously

LaTigresse -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/16/2010 1:33:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus I am not a breeder, but I AM a great advocate for children, and the way the media glamorizes octomom and families like this one absolutely repulses me. You cannot tell me that these children are getting everything they need from their parents. If they are eating, it is because they are getting monies from this show. Do NOT get me started on Jon and Kate. Those people HAD TWO CHILDREN and felt the need for fertility treatments?? Personally this is my opinion (except I did breed....[:D]). But big picture.......I don't really give a damn. Whores have crack babies every day. People with no money have babies every day. I am not comfortable with anyone legislating morality, even when I don't agree with their totally fucked up morality.

MsNightShade -> RE: they want ANOTHER baby? (8/16/2010 2:29:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: purepleasure if this were cats instead of kids, would anyone feel differently about population control? Thank You!

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