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Stupidity is ignoring the threat in order to apply one's smooz philosophy. I have no problem agreeing with the statement that a majority of muslims are peace loving folk. That makes no difference in terms of security issues though. Nor does it lessen the threat from the minority who are not.

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

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Stupidity is ignoring the threat in order to apply one's smooz philosophy. I have no problem agreeing with the statement that a majority of muslims are peace loving folk. That makes no difference in terms of security issues though. Nor does it lessen the threat from the minority who are not.

This is the exact same thing thing that many racists say as an excuse to keep black pepole down. Off course most black pepole are law abiding, nice pepole but there is a minority that are gangsters and criminals so we should fear them all. The problem is this that if you hate and mistreat even the kindest soul enough then eventually they will turn against you. What do you think prejudice against all Muslims will accomplish? It will turn more and more pepole to the extremists. What would you do if you where constantly harassed for having the religion you have or the race you are of or being from the nation you are of, eventually you would wish to fight back. Most Muslims are peace loving and they should be treated like anyone else. Every group, religion, race, subculture, nation and so on have bad seeds, one should not judge everyone on the misconduct of a few.

I wish you well.

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But the past is the past, those times have gone, people will forgive and forget the mistakes of the past and move on, for living in the past does not aide a brighter future for anyone.

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Stupidity is ignoring the threat in order to apply one's smooz philosophy. I have no problem agreeing with the statement that a majority of muslims are peace loving folk. That makes no difference in terms of security issues though. Nor does it lessen the threat from the minority who are not.

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But the past is the past, those times have gone, people will forgive and forget the mistakes of the past and move on, for living in the past does not aide a brighter future for anyone.

Will unless the BBC and PBS are full of crap those times are not gone... in fact they are still simmering and violence can break out at any time ...and remember just as with Israel and the Palestinians there are always two sides to a story...not just your side... This holds true for all of Islam, Christians, and Jews as well as the UK and the IRA...so don't lecture me about innocent deaths and this goes for politesub as well. There is plenty of blood for the hands of all. Those that partisipate and those that stand by and let it happen while lecturing in chat rooms

Butch

ps...of course this includes me as well...so you see we are not so different.

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

This is a common misconception of many Atheists. All violence is based in religion and when religion is involved all sense is left behind. That is just not true. If you look at most violent conflict, religion might be used as a glossy paint but under it lie other, more worldly problems. Also there is allot of war and conflict in this world which was never started in religions name. In addition most, most, most religions pepole of any faith are not zealots, we think and reason and our faith is a friend to walk by our side through life, it is not a shield to hide behind to just blindly accept some dogma.

I wish you well.

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But as to media and what they report, perhaps they in what they choose to report are in fact contributory to the problems we all debate and get concerned about, for it is in the media organisation's interest, to stimulate a readership and there reap the monetary dividends.

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When the Irish terrorists start blowing up buildings in the US then they will be moved to the top of the terrorist list... at least for the US anyway. I don't think we are forgetting… it is just the threat from them is non-existent here in the US.

Butch

Indeed Butch, but you reinforce the point many of us are trying to make. The threat from the MAJORITY of Muslims is nonexistent. Just as the threat from the majority of Catholics, even at the height of the troubles, was nonexistent.

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I deem this post a mistaken lecture ... Until the so called peaceful majority stands up against this radical element in their religion throughout the world they are all suspect in my view. In this age of terror a population that as a whole has the attitude… Yes terrorism is bad and innocents should not be killed….BUT!!!! But my ass you are either for peace or you are not. No real condemnation and action against terrorism in their religion is the same as abetting.

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The above is as radical as I get and perhaps a little overboard but there is truth in the statement. I don’t like the idea that the US is overreacting and somehow deserves what they are getting…bull.

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It is time for Islam to look inward and not outward for threats to their beliefs and learn that religion captures hearts with understanding and charity not with suicide bombers.

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All the above said I am also disgusted with our so called Christian right… there is plenty of blame to go around in this world but constantly singling out one side or professing one view, like you often do, is not the kind of thinking that will solve conflicts.

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Butch, just a recap. I have never ever condemmed the invasion of Afghanistan, although I think we are now in the position of supporting a corrupt regime. I have spoken out about the Iraq invasion, which was based on lies and half truths though. So here you have it, two invasions and differing viewpoints from me.

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Where have i said that ? I recall lucky chewing me out because I said terrorists should be shot out of hand, if caught in the act.

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Butch, just a recap. I have never ever condemmed the invasion of Afghanistan, although I think we are now in the position of supporting a corrupt regime. I have spoken out about the Iraq invasion, which was based on lies and half truths though. So here you have it, two invasions and differing viewpoints from me.

Glad to see the other side of you...but you must admit you keep this well hidden on most subjects...But another recap I agree with your above statement whole heartedly.

Butch

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Where have i said that ? I recall lucky chewing me out because I said terrorists should be shot out of hand, if caught in the act.

Really polite sub, let's see that. It will be very instructive into the way you twist reality. I am curious as to what I said that you are twisting into what you are pretending I said now.


I do remember going on for pages with you about the Geneva Conventions. So you now saying you think after they are caught they should be killed with no trial? That the GC should not apply at all? Or am I misinterpreting you?

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So you mean found in commision, not caught as in captured. Ok. Now where have I ever been opposed to that?


It really is pretty shitty of you to tell lies about me to make some point. Should be a TOS violation, but those don't seem to exist anymore.


Now will you post where I made the bizzare claim you are putting on me, or will you apologize.