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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/15/2010 4:18:56 PM   
Elisabella


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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/15/2010 4:22:01 PM   
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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/15/2010 4:22:15 PM   
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But it's more because it's not hot-button issue enough to get people to the polls.



Good point.


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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/15/2010 4:23:14 PM   
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But Obama is going to take the internet away!!!!


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Haha if anything he'd try to channel library money into a public internets project.

He's socialist remember?

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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/15/2010 4:27:16 PM   
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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/15/2010 5:59:00 PM   
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You can read lots of classic literature (anything without a copyright) online and you can also do research online instead of sitting in the library using encyclopedias and stuff.

That's a tiny portion of what's out in print.  The type of research I've done requires access to paid publications and/or databases.  You're not going to find a lot of science and engineering stuff for free online.

Wright State's got a ton of technical writing in it (many of the IEEE societies, for instance).  With a membership in the library, I'd have access to some paid databases.

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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/15/2010 7:34:39 PM   
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That's a tiny portion of what's out in print.  The type of research I've done requires access to paid publications and/or databases.  You're not going to find a lot of science and engineering stuff for free online.

Wright State's got a ton of technical writing in it (many of the IEEE societies, for instance).  With a membership in the library, I'd have access to some paid databases.



Can't you use a uni library for that?

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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/15/2010 8:37:04 PM   
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But Obama is going to take the internet away!!!!


And I like books. Books rock!

Amen! I like the feel of books. I like the way books fill my shelves. I like the way I can go to the library and find a book on anything I want to know about, for free! I like the way I can read Matt Taibbi expose the whoring and drug dealing in the Bush admin in back issues of Rolling Stone. I like the way I can borrow DVDs. I like the way I can find certain facts faster in my library than I can online, without having to search through 874,539 goggle hits.

I wasn't aware of the Laughitarian position on libraries vs. bookstores, but think how classist and elitist that is. Fuck that.

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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/15/2010 10:49:02 PM   
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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/16/2010 12:00:27 PM   
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  (My impression is that systems designed to maintain the status quo are frowned upon by conservatives, but systems designed to permit people to strive are not.)



Your impression is wrong. [/thread]

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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/16/2010 5:07:09 PM   
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I hope you don't think they are happy with the system... or have you forgotten the banned books in school libraries in Kansas and other conservative states.

Butch



Not just banned books, the Patriot Act forces public libraries to keep track of any book you check out.

I don't want to look like Hunky or anything, but I always pay cash at the book store.

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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/16/2010 6:20:27 PM   
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I hope you don't think they are happy with the system... or have you forgotten the banned books in school libraries in Kansas and other conservative states.

Butch



Not just banned books, the Patriot Act forces public libraries to keep track of any book you check out.

I don't want to look like Hunky or anything, but I always pay cash at the book store.

Couple of things....I was going to say what you said, Butch, about book banning. Conservatives don't seem to attack the library system as a whole but lots of conservative individuals seek to challenge and/or ban individual titles all the time. It's more of a content-is-offensive-to-me-based attack than a libraries-are-bad type of attack.

Secondly, the Patriot Act was a real problem for libraries initially but the progressive ones - most of them, frankly - have found ways around it. Libraries are not forced to keep track of all books checked out. What happened was IF they WERE somehow keeping records of past checkouts, those records could be and were initially being subpeonaed. This led many libraries -including the systems that the two I have been in charge of over the years since the act was passed were a part of - to stop keeping those records. If there is no record, there is nothing to have to turn over. The system I work with now has an option available on the patron's account that they can choose to turn on. It keeps track of their reading history. Only the patron can do it from their web account (with their own private PIN) and they have to deliberately opt in for such history to be kept. All we as librarians see is what they currently have checked out and we can see the information of the last patron who had any particular item (in case it was checked in with damage). Amazon keeps track of one's reading waaaaay more than any library I've worked for. So...that paying cash at the bookstore thing is bright but you know they put you on "The List" when you buy certain things, right? Ha, ha....if so, I'm up shitcreek

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RE: A question for the conservatives. Libraries? - 8/17/2010 11:45:24 AM   
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But Obama is going to take the internet away!!!!

And I like books. Books rock!

I'd be very interested to know just how he is going to do that. Besides...where can he put it ?

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