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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

From the article :

"Trouble emerged after St. Nicholas announced its plans to build a traditional Greek Orthodox church building, 24,000 square feet in size, topped with a grand dome. Port Authority officials told the church to cut back the size of the building and the height of the proposed dome, limiting it to rising no higher than the World Trade Center memorial."

That is where things went sour, not location.

So why then can the Mosque rise above the World Trade Center Memorial ?

                   mbmbn

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

The same folks < NYC Officials> who are doing everything possible to make sure a new Mosque and Cultural Center will be constructed, are having a hard time giving a Greek Orthodox Church permission to REBUILD their church at Ground Zero.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38462

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
I'm well aware of where this Cultural Center which includes a Mosque is being built. It has nothing to do with the REBUILDING of the Greek Orthodox Church, imo. It's curious to me that you can find excuses to support denying a Church, which was destroyed my Muslim extremists, permission to rebuild where they already owned property. Or at least in the general neighborhood. DIdn't you say aomething about a sad day for religious tolerance ? Ok,,, that's fine.... but if you are going to go to bat for the Cultural Center which includes a Mosque, full throttle... why not some outcry or sympathy for the Greek Orthodox who are meeting a brick wall trying to rebuild their Church. < rhuetorical question, no need to answer >

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(6x larger than the original church)

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"Trouble emerged after St. Nicholas announced its plans to build a traditional Greek Orthodox church building, 24,000 square feet in size, topped with a grand dome. Port Authority officials told the church to cut back the size of the building and the height of the proposed dome, limiting it to rising no higher than the World Trade Center memorial."

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
It houses a Mosque. Is that better ? When addressing the subject with you I will now refer to it as a Cultural Center which includes a Mosque.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Thats cool. Everyone has a right to their opinion.

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It houses a Mosque.

No, on the top floor is a place set aside to pray. You see, just in case you did not know, Muslims have to pray at certain times of the day and they cannot pray around women or non-Muslims. I have left the room to allow Muslim men to pray, that did not make that room a Mosque. If the building were a mosque no other activities would be allowed there. Your claim is like saying a hospital is a church because it contains a chapel.... seriously

• outstanding recreation spaces and fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court)
  
• a 500-seat auditorium
  
• a restaurant and culinary school
  
• cultural amenities including exhibitions
  
• education programs
  
• a library, reading room and art studios
  
• childcare services
  
• a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community
  
• a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all

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AIUI the orthodox church is being rebuilt by the Port Authority so they obviously are concerned with the cost of the building. Also it would be pretty unpleasant to have a huge edifice towering over hat ever memorial is eventually built on the site. If the orthodox church wanted to rebuild to the same dimensions as prior to 9/11 I doubt there would be any objections.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


AIUI the orthodox church is being rebuilt by the Port Authority so they obviously are concerned with the cost of the building. Also it would be pretty unpleasant to have a huge edifice towering over hat ever memorial is eventually built on the site. If the orthodox church wanted to rebuild to the same dimensions as prior to 9/11 I doubt there would be any objections.

No, the PA is not building the Church. Contributing, but not rebuilding it.

                 mbmbn

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

They're paying for it right?

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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It houses a Mosque.

No, on the top floor is a place set aside to pray. You see, just in case you did not know, Muslims have to pray at certain times of the day and they cannot pray around women or non-Muslims. I have left the room to allow Muslim men to pray, that did not make that room a Mosque. If the building were a mosque no other activities would be allowed there. Your claim is like saying a hospital is a church because it contains a chapel.... seriously

Julia :
Did you read the exerpt and link from Park 51 I provided you ? I am not claiming that a Mosque will be a part of this cultural center. The Muslims who are building it are calling it a Mosque. I think you need to go speak to them and let them know they are using the wrong term for their own flipping project.
While the Mosque will be run separately, it will be part of the Cultural Center.
Seriously... why are you so adamant that there is no Mosque, when the people who are building it say there will be one.

Just in case you don't know : Park51 is the group behind/backing/developing the Cultural Center which includes a Mosque. I don't know about you, but I am taking them at their word and they say there will be a Mosque, so I am going to defer to them.

Just incase you need even more proof that there will be a Mosque, here is a C&P from Park51 website:


Park51 will grow into a world-class community center, planned to include the following facilities:

• outstanding recreation spaces and fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court)
  
• a 500-seat auditorium
  
• a restaurant and culinary school
  
• cultural amenities including exhibitions
  
• education programs
  
• a library, reading room and art studios
  
• childcare services
  
• a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community
  
• a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all

Do you see the 8th item on the list ? Do you see the first two words ?

Here is the link to that portion of their website: http://www.park51.org/facilities.htm

As for my knowledge of the rules and regs of Islam....I spent 6 months doing private duty for a Kuwaiti couple < Muslim> who had a very ill child. I was in their home 60 hours a week. I think I have a pretty good grasp on what life, religion, culture, dietary laws and anything else you want to name is in the Muslim culture.

               mbmbn

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The same folks < NYC Officials> who are doing everything possible to make sure a new Mosque and Cultural Center will be constructed, are having a hard time giving a Greek Orthodox Church permission to REBUILD their church at Ground Zero.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38462

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In keeping with the archbishop’s vision, Mr. Koutsomitis planned for a roughly 24,000-square-foot marble church and adjoining spiritual center at an estimated cost of up to $40 million. But church leaders say they have raised only $4 million. JPMorgan Chase has agreed to give $10 million toward the rebuilding of St. Nicholas, as part of the bank’s tentative deal to build an office tower on the site of the Deutsche Bank building.

The Port Authority and the church are reluctant to talk about their negotiations publicly. But officials familiar with the talks say they have taken on a familiar refrain in light of current efforts to eliminate some of the grander and more costly elements of the $2.5 billion transit hub.

The church wants the authority to provide roughly $55 million toward the estimated $75 million cost of rebuilding St. Nicholas. The Port Authority in turn wants the church to scale back its plans, move the location slightly and raise more money privately.