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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 3:38:23 AM   
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actually the Koran specifically states that death is the Penalty for Apostasy.


Read Leviticus. Make a list of Christians who follow it to the letter. All of it. Get back to me.

For that matter, what about "Thou Shalt Not Kill"? What happened there?

It's the Word of God!



Actually it is thou shalt not commit murder.


No where did Jesus teach that all peoples had to follow the Old Testament laws. Jesus preached give to Rome what is Rome's and God what is God's.

Mohamed led an army to conquer most of the eastern Roman Empire. And instituted the Dhimi system. The Prophet himself.

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 4:21:23 AM   
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Though I do see you buy into the protection of the Dhimi nonsense.


Well talk historically about protection of "Dhimmis". During the crusades, when Saladin took over Jerusalem,  no "Dhimmis" were massacred... in stark contrast of when Christians took over Jerusalem when rivers of blood (kneed-deep) were flowing with the blood of Muslims...
So, which religion is more barbaric???


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MM, actually the Koran specifically states that death is the Penalty for Apostasy. Nothing to do with Sects or Culture.


There is no where in the Koran where it says this... what it says is "the Apostates will face the wrath of God". I believe there are similar (if not more dire) warnings for apostates in the Bible.


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No expert but i think I read you have to be invited by a Muslim before you enter


Nope, anyone is welcome to enter any mosque.


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Lets not speak historically...lets speak today... Christians are persecuted all over the Muslim world and it is getting worse every day.


I would have to speak historically because today there are no Dhimmi laws anywhere. In all Islamic countries (if you are a citizen) you pay the same tax and all the laws apply equally.

Regarding "Christians are persecuted all over the Muslim world". Lets count the number of Muslims civilians killed or injured because of actions of US and compare them to the number of US Military personnel killed by Muslims in Iraq & Afghanistan. 



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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 5:48:10 AM   
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Mohamed led an army to conquer most of the eastern Roman Empire.


Please check your history... Mohammad never stepped in Europe... the farthest he went was slightly north to Jerusalem. He never crossed the Bosporus.


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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 6:14:05 AM   
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EASTERN Roman Empire, you know Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Armenia...

aka "The Byzantine Empire"




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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:02:11 AM   
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Nope, anyone is welcome to enter any mosque.



I am not a Muslim but a quick search on the net from multiple sources will show you that in most mosques non- Muslims must be invited and follow strict rules to enter. A few in areas like Turkey are more open but still have strict rules of conduct.

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Regarding "Christians are persecuted all over the Muslim world". Lets count the number of Muslims civilians killed or injured because of actions of US and compare them to the number of US Military personnel killed by Muslims in Iraq & Afghanistan. 


You are typical of US bashers... remember the United States does not have a State religion... Muslims are fighting in the arm forces against terrorism and we are responding to an attack and at war.

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:29:32 AM   
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No where did Jesus teach that all peoples had to follow the Old Testament laws.


Fair enough. Then let's stop the Old Testament charade, through out the Bible, and keep the New Testament.

But that's not the plan, is it. In fact, conservatives use exactly those parts to wage their anti-gay agenda.

Now, if you want to argue those conservatives aren't really Christians, OK.

But we're right back to painting everyone with one brush. You'll have to sort out the real and untrue Moslems too.



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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:34:48 AM   
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Here is all of Leviticus 18. I have bolded an interesting one.

1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'I am the LORD your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. I am the LORD.
6 " 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.

7 " 'Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 " 'Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's sister; she is your father's close relative.

13 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your mother's sister, because she is your mother's close relative.

14 " 'Do not dishonor your father's brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

15 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife; do not have relations with her.

16 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your brother's wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 " 'Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

18 " 'Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

19 " 'Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile yourself with her.

21 " 'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed [a] to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

24 " 'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

29 " 'Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.' "


It kinda makes you wonder how fucked up these people were that they needed ALL of these instructions?

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:38:06 AM   
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21 " 'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed [a] to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.


Dammit, I wished this thread would have existed about 25 years ago.  I missed the shit outta this little chestnut.

See you in hell, boys.

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:39:41 AM   
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You're going to hell Jeffffffffffffffffffffff!

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:40:15 AM   
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I wonder if bleach will remove any trace of menstral blood?

Think ST. Peter will buy it?


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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:41:05 AM   
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Note that the problem isn't sacrificing children. That part's fine. Just don't piss off God by worshiping Molech.

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:41:19 AM   
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haha yeah pour bleach on your cock...just wait til I'm there, I want to see that.

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:41:36 AM   
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as a yoot, I sprayed raid on some crabs I had...............

talk about the vengence of the lord...........

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:42:11 AM   
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Actually it is thou shalt not commit murder.

Actually it depends on which church you ask.

"Thou shalt not kill" still stands.

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:43:51 AM   
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Here is an interesting idea. Since the mosque in question is being built in the states why don't we keep our conversation focussed on how much more intolerant your fellow Muslim American Citizens are in comparison to other American citizens.

Some of the nicest people I have met in Chicago happen to be Muslim.

Remember, they had to import the 9-11 terrorists. Not a homegrown product in the bunch.

The manufacturing sector of the U.S. economy is really slipping. We import everything.

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:44:15 AM   
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17 " 'Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter.



Who doesn't have a little " mother /daughter" thing rollin' around their head?

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:50:29 AM   
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Actually Jesus specifically tells people to follow the OT laws - the classic "oh but the OT doesn't count" squeal is a total cop-out and modern Christian deception, in order to avoid those embarrassing little rules that permit murder, rape etc.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets.  I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." 

aor if you prefer

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” 

the Bible (in its entirety) preaches as much hate as any other religion



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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 9:54:15 AM   
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The old tired debate of "My god's dick is bigger than your god's dick" is so Dark Ages




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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 10:06:17 AM   
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Here is an interesting idea. Since the mosque in question is being built in the states why don't we keep our conversation focussed on how much more intolerant your fellow Muslim American Citizens are in comparison to other American citizens.

Some of the nicest people I have met in Chicago happen to be Muslim.

Remember, they had to import the 9-11 terrorists. Not a homegrown product in the bunch.

The manufacturing sector of the U.S. economy is really slipping. We import everything.


I hate to think you believe I hold any anomosity toward any American, will except for Thompson_, I'm sure there are people of the Moslem faith who are not tolerant and those that are...you see I don't think they are any different then any other American. They are not all perfect nor devils...just people.

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RE: News outlets split in describing mosque - 8/19/2010 10:13:55 AM   
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I'm sure there are people of the Moslem faith who are not tolerant and those that are


Thing is, for most people, we just aren't that important. They have their own lives to worry about.

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