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Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 3:20:32 PM   
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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 4:58:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		An eye for an eye form of punishment for offenders has it's distinct advantages, but trial without legal representation is a no no. Aside from the more severe forms of punishment for less severe crimes, perhaps as we in the west perceive them, one has just got to ask if the Saudi's have something right when it comes to the punishment of those who harm others?

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 4:59:47 PM   
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The state is sometimes WRONG.

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 5:04:28 PM   
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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 5:05:59 PM   
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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 5:09:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		The spinal cord is NOT something to mess with.   Besides DRs are to help life- not make it worse.

Tho- having psychiatrists mindtrip, for the war on terror mess- we might have opened a can of worms-  waterboarding is good for ya.

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 5:23:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I understand Medics not doing it as they are there for health not against it, but if the authorities cannot find a civilised way of doing it, they may well have to resort to uncivilised methods. After all we hear about the barbarity of these people, they have to be commended in that they are seeking correct medical procedure where all things will be considered, instead of taking the person out into a public place and hacking at the offenders back with an axe or other ancient tool.

But as in eye for an eye, the victim mentioned in the article is now paralysed, and with that a burden on his family, fine, this family might be able to afford to keep a cripple, but other families might not be in such a good situation and a one time bread winner becomes a burden and there leading to poverty.

Now, if you were in the families position, what would you prefer, the offender doing time, then coming out and getting on with their life fully able whilst his victim rots in the prison of paralysis, or the offender having to live the same way as the victim, devoid of the life they were perhaps meant to have.

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 5:28:24 PM   
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I do not wish anyone spinal cord injuries.

There is alot of manipulation in the world- so there could be related details to the "fight" like maybe drinking at a bar and a fight over a girl.

even still- the state is not god.

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 5:41:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		And that is why we have people vested with the power over us, to keep us within the law, the police. We all know very well that if we step out of line, break laws, there is a possibility we may be arrested and punished, that I suppose all depending upon the severity of the crime, but to attack someone else, that is against the law, to injure another person, that also is against the law, so we to keep ourselves on the right side of the law, simply must not break the law. For a disagreement to become violent, shows lack of control and when we lack control others are charged with controlling us, and when the fuzz come out, arrests will be made, charges made and punishments applied, all that for losing control of ourselves.

The law is the law, created by people for the protection and welfare of people, we are normally trusted to stay within the law and it is taken that all should know what is right from wrong. We fail to control ourselves, then we must be aware of the consequences.

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 5:43:48 PM   
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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 5:50:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		The very same as we already have, apologies will be made and monies awarded, in the case of execution, we can't bring back the dead, but the law is not perfect and neither are people, hence the need for laws.

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 5:51:09 PM   
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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 6:20:03 PM   
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I dunno , I would be quite happy to chop off the hands of repeat convicted rapists, murderers and child molesterz




I dont think it's their hands that need chopped off.

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 6:43:42 PM   
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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 6:57:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand the family of the vicim declined a payment of "blood money." They want the vengeance. Pretty fucked up system they have there.

Here, the guys gets some time from the state, and the family gets their revenge courtesy of an outlaw biker whose family is about to lose the house.

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 8:32:17 PM   
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Well, I understand Medics not doing it as they are there for health not against it, but if the authorities cannot find a civilised way of doing it, they may well have to resort to uncivilised methods. After all we hear about the barbarity of these people, they have to be commended in that they are seeking correct medical procedure where all things will be considered, instead of taking the person out into a public place and hacking at the offenders back with an axe or other ancient tool.


What??? You can't possibly be serious. These ignorant savages are to be commended for mutilating him with a clean knife instead of a dirty axe? Please tell me that was a joke that just went over my head.


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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/19/2010 8:57:01 PM   
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Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'...


Tolerance... compassion... peaceful

I'm trying to find the adjective that goes with it, but fuck, it is difficult.



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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/20/2010 1:37:41 AM   
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What??? You can't possibly be serious. These ignorant savages are to be commended for mutilating him with a clean knife instead of a dirty axe? Please tell me that was a joke that just went over my head.


Sometimes advancement is better made in small steps rather than wait until you can get all of what you want. But yes, technically, sine the mutilation will occur anyway, it is better to use a clean knife. That prevents secondary, unintended consequences. In this case, infections. This is especially true since those complications are not considered part of the punishment.

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/20/2010 4:28:54 AM   
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I dunno , I would be quite happy to chop off the hands of repeat convicted rapists, murderers and child molesterz




I had an english teacher who used to say "if a man doesn't know what to do with his tools, he should have them taken away"

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RE: Saudi judge considers 'paralysis punishment'... - 8/20/2010 8:23:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I knew there would be little interest in this thread when I read it yesterday, PA.

Ya gotta love Sharia Law, don't you ? After all we here in the West need to be more understanding and tolerant of Middle Eastern Culture. I * suppose * one could make an arguement such as Anernin did if Sharia Law was applied universally in the countries which follow it, however, it is not applied equaly and not applied at all for crimes against non non Arabs.

It seems that Sharia Law is only for Arab on Arab crimes. An Arab who commits a crime, including murder, of a non Arab goes without punishment. And in many cases the victim gets not only the punishment, but the sent right back to the Arab who did the crime. Saudi Arabia has a closed door policy when it comes to allowing any Human Rights Groups into their country. Requests from 5 UN approved Human Rights Groups since 2005 remain unanswered.

Asian migrant workers who go to the Middle East are often raped, murders, maimed and beaten by their Arab " employers ".
The instances of this happening is alarmingly high.  I have given a few links at the bottom of this post to ilustrate the problem. There are thousands more stories just like the ones I am giving here. There has not been one Arab sentenced to death for murdering an Asian worker. OF course, there have been plenty of Asian migrant workers sentenced to death for supposed crimes against an Arab.

Interestingly enough, The Saudi Government is concerned about the Asain migrant workers. Saudi, along with other Middle Eastern, countries have been slammed by groups like Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International to a small degree, AASG and others and more and more exposure is being given to the atrocities being commited there. Ohh not as you would expect. One would expect there to be a delving into the PROBLEMS these workers face, the alarming suicide rate amongst these workers, the alarming cases of abuse, rape and murder of these workers, right ?
Au Contrare ! The Saudi Government is looking into banning migrant workers from their country due to there lack of understanding of the culture. They have a " Let's blame the victim " approach. An intersting complicating factor in this is : 85-88% of domestic workers and about 35 % of the entire workforce of Saudi is migrant workers.


RIYADH, Saudi Arabia  —  Rizana Nafeek, a 19-year old housemaid from Sri Lanka, is on death row because the baby in her care died while she was bottle-feeding him. If her appeal is turned down, she will be taken to a public square to be publicly beheaded.
 
Speaking of the housemaid's sentence, Kate Allen of Amnesty International called it "an absolute scandal that Saudi Arabia is preparing to behead a teenage girl who didn't even have a lawyer at her trial."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289317,00.html

Rizana was 17 at the time of the alleged crime, however, her passport wa doctored up in Saudi to make it appear she was older.

"That is the sad and unfortunate reality for the thousands of women living as maids in the Middle East. Abusive employers receive NO punishment --- whereas a beaten, gangrenous, hospitalized maid --- who reports torture at the hands of her muslim employer - will get the Islamic Court ordered 79 lashes for her complaints along with a continued life of abuse or even death."
http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/01/small-progress-for-rights-of-abused-middle-eastern-maids.html


http://www.migrant-rights.org/2009/08/28/asian-maid-tortured-to-death-in-saudi-arabia-by-her-sponsor/

http://www.business.maktoob.com/20090000459834/Kuwaiti_gets_7_yrs_for_killing_Asian_maid/Article.htm

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_325189.html

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