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what was the most brutal punishment - 4/21/2006 12:02:20 AM

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Mistresses ,what was the most brutal punishment you given to your slave .and why you did it ?

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/21/2006 5:20:09 AM

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Mistresses ,what was the most brutal punishment you given to your slave .and why you did it ?

I'm not a "mistress" but I have had slaves. The most brutal thing I've ever done resulted from one of them showing disrespect for Libby by trying to supplant her in my heart.

I told her "Your actions have made the very sight of you disgusting to me. Leave and never approach either of us or try to contact either of us."

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/21/2006 5:23:23 AM

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Mistresses ,what was the most brutal punishment you given to your slave .and why you did it ?

I'm not a "mistress" but I have had slaves. The most brutal thing I've ever done resulted from one of them showing disrespect for Libby by trying to supplant her in my heart.

I told her "Your actions have made the very sight of you disgusting to me. Leave and never approach either of us or try to contact either of us."

Exactly John. The worse punishment of all is denial. Some slaves would rather be beat to a bloody pulp then be denied. At least a bloody ass heals but a broken heart will last forever.

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/21/2006 5:29:44 AM

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I concur

released, time-out, denial, ignored, cut-off... deleted

To give a submissive their walking papers is the most brutal punishment.

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/21/2006 9:51:16 AM

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Agree with the above. And above that. And so on...

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/21/2006 10:13:44 AM

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i was a new slave and just arrived to meet my Master in saudia. i made a mistake and the next day was taken to the pool and allowed to get a good sunburn on my back, that evening i was driven way out and the strap was applied. i realized how different my life was going to be as a slave vs being being a sub.

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 12:27:20 AM

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The most harsh punishment given by Me was ignoring them and not letting them have any contact with Me until i was over the disobedience.

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 12:36:07 AM

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oh come one everyone!

this reminds me of people when getting a divorce and they have the 44mag in their hand and are on the way out the door to kill their soon to be ex spouse.

i always tell them this.

You cannot torture someone who is fucking dead!

how does that relate to this you ask?

You cannot torture someone who is fucking out of your life!

However you can torture and abuse the living hell out of someone who is in your life.

Who said it? keep your friends close and your enemies closer! wise words.

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 1:10:28 AM

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Who said it? keep your friends close and your enemies closer! wise words.

Sun Tzu in "The Art of War." That concept was not applied in torturing others, but to gain information about the enemy.

Punishment is, as i understand, used to render a lesson fitting to a particular crime. i don't see release as punishment, i see it as banishment (in the ways stated in this thread). Unless of course the application of banishment is intended to teach the particular person a lesson in the future which would not benefit you.

The most brutal punishment i received was an intense corporal punishment, given with some extremely harsh words. Once the price was paid, however, and the lesson learned, we moved on. While it is his right to ignore me, he will never do that as punishment over a period of days, as that would work against his overall goal for me in our particular case.

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 5:50:58 AM

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One cannot give a beating to a masochistic submissive! Bound in a knelt position, on something uncomfortable such as a pile of chains or cutlery, with a written list of commandments or what not to do, to read aloud to the Dom/me, until exhausted and painful beyond endurance. Punishment should be an unsexy experience from which the submissive learns.
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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 6:21:31 AM

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One cannot give a beating to a masochistic submissive!

Depends on the submissive. I once had a maso who was convinced that he was going to 'give me' his safeword and that no matter what I could not make him use it. He adamantly refused to admit that he should hold it or acknowledge that I gave it to him for a reason. In short, he tried to top me over this issue.

So I secured him to the bench (with his eyes aglow because he knew he could take any corporal I could put out) and I did, indeed, beat him severely (it made ME feel better). Then I put the highly polished wooden paddle down and as I whispered in his ear "I gave you that safeword for a reason and it is not yours to give back" I slowly ran my hand down his back and ass, grasped his testicals in my hand and slowly began to squeeze without letting up. We ended this interaction with him SCREAMING his safeword and begging for forgiveness. I then duct taped a huge butt plug into him (he was NOT into anal) and we went shopping (he was not into humiliation) for cleaning supplies. We finished the day with him cleaning my dungeon in the nude, buttplug duct taped in his ass and him wearing a plastic pig nose. I took many pictures of that and send him those pics when he gets uppity (which isn't very often).

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 6:29:28 AM

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Dear MizSuz, Thank you for your response and sharing your experiences with us all. Indeed it just takes trust and time to discover a submissives weak areas. I have tried the reward and punishment bag system, task the submissive to put 5 suggestions in each bag. It is good fun finding out in reality whether they have been truthful. Blindfold or hood them and order them to withdraw one. big grin!
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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 7:39:14 AM

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Dear Ladies and Gentlemen;

Very good discussions and posts. In reading them, I am going to have to agree, that the harshest punishment is collar removal and dismissal, ignoring them for good.

However, as another has posted - A Master/Mistress really needs to know their slave and or submissive in order to discipline/punish effectively. What works for one slave won't work for another. Even slaves/submissives who grow in the lifestyle will change in their views on discipline/punishment and adjudication.

On the side of caution, since this forum has so many levels of experiences, I do want to mention that good Masters/Mistresses should make sure that they dutifully made clear the tasks to be done, their orders/commands were not clouded or left the command/order so vague, as to leave the slave/submissive into the need to assume or best educated guess. One cannot fault a slave/submissive who is learning a dominant, to make errors, especially when the dominant opened a broad door to assumptions. And, consistency is also important. Change of the rules after the fact and punishing a slave/submissive isn't fair. In my opinion, good slaves/submissives do want to try their best to please but, as dominants we're responsible to give clear instructions before there is a punishment/disciplinary issue. I also am not speaking about those manipulators that purposefully misbehave as to get a response and or discipline.

Timing is also important. Some slaves/submissives can't stand the wait for when the discipline will be administered. That can prove most fun and effective. The waiting can be punishment enough. But, from a look; from a comment of disappointment; from corporal administration to removing the collar and being dismissed, is at each dominant's disposal. However, I make it a practice that if I must remove a collar and dismiss a slave/submissive -- I never allow them back. If I allow them back, the threat to remove the collar and dismissal holds no value. And, slaves/submissives do have a 'grape vine' all their own. Word gets out who is strict and fair and who is weak and or unfair.

In a multiple slave/submissive household; I have found that rules must be exactly the same for all the slaves/submissives. If one is naked, they must all be naked. If one is dressed, all are dressed. Each dominant will have their own flavor of domination but, I prefer to be uniformed and fair to all my slaves/submissives; having reasonable expectations. I never ask my slaves/submissives to do anything I haven't done myself.

In summary, I feel that those who treat a D/s or M/s relationship sincerely--respect goes a long way for both the dominant and submissive. If you have that element out of many other elements that make up that relationship--hopefully brutal punishment will be absent or very rare.

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 8:49:02 AM

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i agree with most of what you said but how can this:

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What works for one slave won't work for another.

equal this:

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I am going to have to agree, that the harshest punishment is collar removal and dismissal, ignoring them for good.

It seems to me a one time oueee of being kicked to the curb is no where the same level of punishment that can be otherwise dealt out over the course a lifetime.

It seems to me they move on get another who may even be better than the one they had and maybe even laugh at you in the process and under their breath thank you for kicking them to the curb. Has anyone considered that?

It seems to me its pretty arrogant to think that not being in someones company is going to plague and torment another outside of an on going relationship. It seems to me once the relationship is broken the rules change.

There is an old saying that goes something like: absense makes the heart grow fonder. i have found just the opposite to be true.

My question to those who believe dismissal is so harsh, is exactly how or what is so harsh about it?

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 9:06:27 AM

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yes but i cannot ignore my slave.. because its really hard to find true slave .... so what would be the most brutal punishment besides (except) ignoring them

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 9:19:22 AM

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yes but i cannot ignore my slave.. because its really hard to find true slave .... so what would be the most brutal punishment besides (except) ignoring them

yes but that is very different from throwing them to the curb and dismissing them from service where they are no longer in your life. ignoring works well for most i think, self included, but that is in a relationship and dismissal is a relatioship no longer.

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 2:45:25 PM

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Dear Real One, Ladies and Gentlemen;

In any relationships there are understandings made as to what is a hard limit and known consequences, such as removal of the collar, dismissed for good and forever ignored. There are also degrees of behaviors that a dominant must make in their priorities of what will be tolerated and what will not be tolerated.

Behaviors that are being changed, for example the use of profanity, will be something that will take time to change within reason. That is understood. So the discipline/punishment will fit the degree of that reasonable expectation. Beginners will make mistakes, so a dominant who trains will not go overboard with the punishment/discipline however, makes certain that beginner knows the importance of why certain things must be obeyed.

A more advanced slave, to whom knows certain things must be obeyed in a certain way and makes a choice to vary from that behavior, will need to be punished a bit different than a beginner. But, each dominant knowing their slave/submissive best knows how to best punish them and should do so accordingly.

That said; there are some behaviors will not be tolerated in my household, no matter if true slave or visiting submissive/slave. That is illegal drug possession and or use in or about my premise, in or about my property and or in or about my presence. I am clear that I won’t tolerate it at the beginning of negotiations before the commitment to a collar, maintain that commitment and stand by that rule. So, the slave chooses to make that violation of those hard limits of mine; they also know the consequences. They will be un-collared; dismissed and kicked to the curb. The relationship is over.

For me personally, I am not defined by having a slave or not. I rather be alone and be assured that another individual does not place me at risk, e.g. illegal drug use and or possession. I will work with anybody who will try and patiently so. Humor is welcomed as long as it is respectful. However, I am directing my comments more towards those who make ‘sport’ or ‘play games’ of what some individuals cherish as a sacred relationship of two or more adult individuals, that do not return the respect and communication I give. I would enjoy the relationship more if there is joint effort on making the relationship work to our mutual benefit. However, if just one person is making all the effort the relationship will fail. Just a matter of time. The dismissal, removing of the collar and to the curb will just manifest when there has been a climax of frustration and no resolution can be met.

If the slave/submissive finds someone better suited to their behaviors, personalities and such--so be it. I will be happy for them. I rather be a dominant rather than a warden and or babysitter.

What is harsh about dismissal of a slave? Well, do please count in, that dismissing a slave/submissive is harsh on a dominant as well. I don’t take such a choice of such a drastic nature lightly, nor shall I if it comes to that time. Most of my releases have been by request, for their needs had changed; e.g. death of a parent and having to provide care for the survivor, military transfers, etc. My releases have been kind, compassionate and relationships maintained but, not in a M/s or D/s rank/rights capacity. However, on a disciplinary/punishment dismissal, based on the slaves I consider, it would be hard on both of us. My disappointment and their disappointing behavior.

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 2:48:41 PM

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Or to kneel on rice or pencils gets the message accrossed nicely as well.

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One cannot give a beating to a masochistic submissive! Bound in a knelt position, on something uncomfortable such as a pile of chains or cutlery, with a written list of commandments or what not to do, to read aloud to the Dom/me, until exhausted and painful beyond endurance. Punishment should be an unsexy experience from which the submissive learns.
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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 2:50:53 PM

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You are wicked MizSuz. I like that in a person!

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One cannot give a beating to a masochistic submissive!

Depends on the submissive. I once had a maso who was convinced that he was going to 'give me' his safeword and that no matter what I could not make him use it. He adamantly refused to admit that he should hold it or acknowledge that I gave it to him for a reason. In short, he tried to top me over this issue.

So I secured him to the bench (with his eyes aglow because he knew he could take any corporal I could put out) and I did, indeed, beat him severely (it made ME feel better). Then I put the highly polished wooden paddle down and as I whispered in his ear "I gave you that safeword for a reason and it is not yours to give back" I slowly ran my hand down his back and ass, grasped his testicals in my hand and slowly began to squeeze without letting up. We ended this interaction with him SCREAMING his safeword and begging for forgiveness. I then duct taped a huge butt plug into him (he was NOT into anal) and we went shopping (he was not into humiliation) for cleaning supplies. We finished the day with him cleaning my dungeon in the nude, buttplug duct taped in his ass and him wearing a plastic pig nose. I took many pictures of that and send him those pics when he gets uppity (which isn't very often).

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RE: what was the most brutal punishment - 4/22/2006 2:52:34 PM

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i was a new slave and just arrived to meet my Master in saudia. i made a mistake and the next day was taken to the pool and allowed to get a good sunburn on my back, that evening i was driven way out and the strap was applied. i realized how different my life was going to be as a slave vs being being a sub.

This worries me, Sunburn can have a severe effect on the chances of getting skin cancer and to then cause further trauma to already damamged skin? I would be severly considering if a Dom who did this was the master for me and especially in a country like saudi. For me that steps over the line of hurt and into the realm of harm which is in mho never acceptable.

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