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Sanity -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 4:59:56 PM)


If you guys got all the help from the mods that you ask for [sm=binky.gif] eventually you might win an argument.

But then again maybe not.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
If you had no intention of implying anything beyond the simple facts as you presented them then your post was off topic and a non sequitur. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you meant to be on topic. My bad.

You should contact the mods and get your post deleted since it has nothing what so ever to do with this thread.




Kirata -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 5:32:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

If you had no intention of implying anything beyond the simple facts as you presented them then your post was off topic and a non sequitur. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you meant to be on topic. My bad.

You should contact the mods and get your post deleted since it has nothing what so ever to do with this thread.

Yes, you are often kind that way, giving people the "benefit of doubt" by assuming they mean something they didn't say. Thank you.

As for the Sacred Heart poll being off-topic...

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

And I'm sure those polls were conducted by FOX News, and/or their puppet Rasmussen.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well, I have yet to see a poll on the fox news balanced and fair, what I see is that alot of republicans think its fair but hardly anyone else.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Where are these polls on trust?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

here is what I get.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/01/fox-leads-for-trust.html

If you are intimating that asswipe like that, even with its inclusions for errors is something we should give serious consideration to...........

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

If you make the claim then show the proof.

I find it interesting that none of this struck you as being so outrageously off-topic that it merited reporting until someone actually posted a reputable poll...

But I'm not going to give you the "benefit of doubt" by assuming anything. [:D]

K.




DomKen -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 6:00:55 PM)

So you claim you are on topic with Sanity's attempted hijack of the thread? Then my comment is pertinent since you obviously meant to imply something beyond the bald statement of fact that you claim.

Your poll is meaningless. FNC lies and has an overt political bias that makes it an unreliable news source. Those are facts. Public opninion on the matter is irrelevant.




tazzygirl -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 6:16:23 PM)

Accusations of bias
Political figures
Former Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean has referred to Fox News as a "right-wing propaganda machine,"[3] and several Democratic Party politicians have boycotted events hosted or sponsored by the network.[4][5] In 2007, several major Democratic Party presidential candidates (Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Bill Richardson) boycotted or dropped out of Fox News-sponsored or hosted debates,[4][5][5][6] forcing their cancellation. The Nevada State Democratic Party had originally agreed to co-host a Democratic debate with Fox News Channel in Reno, Nevada. Despite the opposition of groups like MoveOn.org, the party agreed to bring in Fox News in an effort to find "new ways to talk to new people." However, after Fox News chairman Roger Ailes was quoted making a joke involving the similarity of Barack Obama's name to that of the terrorist Osama bin Laden,[7] a firestorm of opposition arose in Democratic circles against the debate. On March 12, 2007, the party announced it had pulled out of the debate, effectively canceling it.[8]

Similar accusations have been levied against Fox News in response to its decision to exclude Republican Texas Representative Ron Paul, who differs from many in the Republican Party on social issues and holds a strong opposition to foreign intervention, and California Representative Duncan Hunter from the January 5, 2008, Republican candidate debate.[9] In response, many individuals and organizations petitioned Fox News to reconsider its decision. When Fox refused to change its position and continued to exclude Paul and Hunter, the New Hampshire Republican Party officially announced it would withdraw as a Fox partner in the forum.[10

Media figures
CNN's Larry King said in a January 17, 2007, interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, "They're a Republican brand. They're an extension of the Republican Party with some exceptions, [like] Greta van Susteren. But I don't begrudge them that. [Fox CEO] Roger Ailes is an old friend. They've been nice to me. They've said some very nice things about me. Not [Bill] O'Reilly, but I don't watch him."[11]

Writing for the Los Angeles Times, Republican and conservative columnist Jonah Goldberg indicated his belief that Fox News was rightward-leaning: "Look, I think liberals have reasonable gripes with Fox News. It does lean to the right, primarily in its opinion programming but also in its story selection (which is fine by me) and elsewhere. But it's worth remembering that Fox is less a bastion of ideological conservatism and more a populist, tabloidy network."[12]

Fox News host Bill O'Reilly has stated that "Fox does tilt right," (although he states this in specific reference to the coverage of the Iraq war, not FNC's coverage in general), but that the network does not "actively campaign or try to help Bush-Cheney."[13][14]

Media watchdogs
Progressive media watch groups such as the Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR)[15] and Media Matters for America[16] have argued that Fox News reporting contains conservative editorializing within news stories. Others have referred to the network as "Faux News",[17] "GOP-TV",[18] "Fox Noise Channel",[19] "Fox Nothing Channel", "Fixed News"[20] and "Cluster Fox."[21] FAIR also asserted that in a study of a 19 week period from January 2001 to May 2001 the ratio of conservative guests to liberals on Special Report with Brit Hume was 50:6, and obtained similar data from other Fox shows.[22]

Accuracy in Media has claimed that there was a conflict of interest in Fox News' co-sponsorship of the May 15, 2007, Republican presidential candidates debate, pointing out that candidate and former New York city mayor Rudolph Giuliani's law firm had tackled copyright protection and legislation on the purchase of cable TV lineups for News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News, and suggesting that Fox might be biased in favor of Giuliani's candidacy for the Republican Party presidential nomination.[23]
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Studies and reports
In a 2006 academic content analysis of election news, Rasmussen Reports showed that coverage at ABC, CBS, and NBC was more favorable toward Kerry than Bush, while coverage at Fox News Channel were more favorable toward Bush.[41]

The Project on Excellence in Journalism report in 2006[39] showed that 68 percent of Fox cable stories contained personal opinions, as compared to MSNBC at 27 percent and CNN at 4 percent. The "content analysis" portion of their 2005 report also concluded that "Fox was measurably more one-sided than the other networks, and Fox journalists were more opinionated on the air."[42]

A 2007 Pew Research Center poll of viewer political knowledge indicated that Fox News Channel viewers scored 35% in the high-knowledge area, the same as the national average. This was not significantly different than local news, network news and morning news, and was slightly lower than CNN (41%). Viewers of The O'Reilly Factor (51%) scored in the high category along with Rush Limbaugh (50%), NPR (51%), major newspapers (54%), Newshour with Jim Lehrer (53%) The Daily Show (54%) and The Colbert Report (54%).[43]

Research has shown that there is a correlation between the presence of the Fox News Channel in cable markets and increases in Republican votes in those markets.[44]

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The “2010 State of the News Media” Report by the Pew Center on Excellence in Journalism found that in 2009, Fox News Channel had average daytime audience of 1.2 million and nighttime viewership of 2.13 million, higher than its cable competitors. For 2009, CNN continued to lead Fox online, as CNN.com had more than 20.7 million unique visitors daily, compared to 12.7 million unique visitors daily at Fox.com. The report added that Fox spends $674 million on its news programs in 2009, and that 72 percent of this amount was for “producing its host-driven programs including multimillion-dollar salaries.” The remaining 28 percent ($188 million) went to administrative and overhead costs, including news staffing and bureaus. That figure is less than half of what is spent by CNN and HLN on its administrative and overhead costs.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies

Yeah, no bias... none at all [:D]




Lucylastic -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 6:21:04 PM)

It certainy has brought out my inner sadist Ken
Ive never seen so much dancing around a simple subject.
It certainly increased my disdain for liars and their supporters






thornhappy -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 6:38:36 PM)

I thought the web site data was interesting.  I came across an article last year about the relatively poor web site design for Fox News, especially compared to their (overdone, to my taste) video offerings.  (I'm thinking of their sports programming in particular).




Kirata -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 6:49:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

So you claim you are on topic with Sanity's attempted hijack of the thread? Then my comment is pertinent since you obviously meant to imply something beyond the bald statement of fact that you claim.

Your comments are never pertinent when you assume things. I just decided to see who was right, given the repeated posts about these invisible polls. And as it turned out, when I ran a search I only came up with one reputable study. But I found it interesting enough to post because it reported Fox News as both most accurate and least trusted!

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Your poll is meaningless... Public opninion on the matter is irrelevant.

Well, you consider any opinion that differs from your own to be irrelevant. [:D]

K.




AnimusRex -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 6:59:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

President Obamas speech in Cairo ...
Could you please point out the part where he states he is muslim


C'mon, man, its simple:

1. He is an admitted black man from a Northern city, therefore not a real Murkin;
2. He is an open and avowed liberal, who are enemies of Murka;
3. Muslims are the enemy of Murka;

Therefore, ipso facto, Obama is a Muslim.


Jeez, some people need to have everything explained....




Lucylastic -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 7:06:50 PM)

fuck me, now I get it
AR you are a scholar a gentleman and make me chortle
BTW im a chick... not a man, sighs
I have to admit I prefer merrycans to murkins
its too close to merkins to not get a titter from me





rulemylife -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 8:57:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

President Obamas speech in Cairo ...
Could you please point out the part where he states he is muslim


C'mon, man, its simple:

1. He is an admitted black man from a Northern city, therefore not a real Murkin;
2. He is an open and avowed liberal, who are enemies of Murka;
3. Muslims are the enemy of Murka;

Therefore, ipso facto, Obama is a Muslim.


Jeez, some people need to have everything explained....


Imagine this.

A post that actually relates to the topic of the thread.




rulemylife -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 8:59:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

fuck me, now I get it
AR you are a scholar a gentleman and make me chortle
BTW im a chick... not a man, sighs
I have to admit I prefer merrycans to murkins
its too close to merkins to not get a titter from me



That's what you get for taking down the hot ass pic and replacing it with whatever that thing is.




jlf1961 -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 9:06:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

fuck me, now I get it
AR you are a scholar a gentleman and make me chortle
BTW im a chick... not a man, sighs
I have to admit I prefer merrycans to murkins
its too close to merkins to not get a titter from me



That's what you get for taking down the hot ass pic and replacing it with the bunny rabbit.




I thought it was a squirrel. (referring to Lucy's new avatar)

But, on the topic of discussion, I find it really interesting that the RNC released the following statement:

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"An errant, or sarcastically-intended tweet aside, the RNC has never spoken about the President's Christianity because it is both crystal clear and a non-issue," RNC spokesman Doug Heye said in a statement. "What is an issue, and remains foremost in the minds of voters is the failed efforts of Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to grow jobs. Today, it was announced that existing home sales plunged by 27%; discussing this issue will serve the voters far better than any nonsense that won't employ a single American."


source




rulemylife -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 9:16:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

fuck me, now I get it
AR you are a scholar a gentleman and make me chortle
BTW im a chick... not a man, sighs
I have to admit I prefer merrycans to murkins
its too close to merkins to not get a titter from me



That's what you get for taking down the hot ass pic and replacing it with the bunny rabbit.




I thought it was a squirrel. (referring to Lucy's new avatar)


Yeah, I just edited it because I'm not sure what it is either.

A baby kangaroo?

Either way the ass pic was way better.

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But, on the topic of discussion, I find it really interesting that the RNC released the following statement:

"An errant, or sarcastically-intended tweet aside, the RNC has never spoken about the President's Christianity because it is both crystal clear and a non-issue," RNC spokesman Doug Heye said in a statement. "What is an issue, and remains foremost in the minds of voters is the failed efforts of Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to grow jobs. Today, it was announced that existing home sales plunged by 27%; discussing this issue will serve the voters far better than any nonsense that won't employ a single American."

source


I do have to give a number of Republicans credit for denouncing the nonsense, including Mitch McConnell.

But there are far too many seeking to exploit the fabrications.




DomKen -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 10:59:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

So you claim you are on topic with Sanity's attempted hijack of the thread? Then my comment is pertinent since you obviously meant to imply something beyond the bald statement of fact that you claim.

Your comments are never pertinent when you assume things. I just decided to see who was right, given the repeated posts about these invisible polls. And as it turned out, when I ran a search I only came up with one reputable study. But I found it interesting enough to post because it reported Fox News as both most accurate and least trusted!

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

Your poll is meaningless... Public opninion on the matter is irrelevant.

Well, you consider any opinion that differs from your own to be irrelevant. [:D]

K.


no. I give weight to others opinions based on past performance. Your opinion gets more weight than realone or sanity. It however doesn't get enough to change my mind when your opinion is in direct opposition to well established facts.




DomKen -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 11:00:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

fuck me, now I get it
AR you are a scholar a gentleman and make me chortle
BTW im a chick... not a man, sighs
I have to admit I prefer merrycans to murkins
its too close to merkins to not get a titter from me



That's what you get for taking down the hot ass pic and replacing it with the bunny rabbit.




I thought it was a squirrel. (referring to Lucy's new avatar)


Yeah, I just edited it because I'm not sure what it is either.

A baby kangaroo?

Either way the ass pic was way better.


pretty sure its a squirrel




slvemike4u -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 11:07:59 PM)

Any fool can see it's a fucking rabbit!




tazzygirl -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 11:11:29 PM)

then call me a fool. i thought it was a squirrel too.

wait, you said any fool can see its a rabbit. i thought it was a squirrel. so im not a fool. [:D] im liking this!




popeye1250 -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 11:18:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Lucylastic, Politesub, you two are English, correct?
What do you care what anyone says about Obama?


It may have escaped your attention but US foreign policy affect us as well. Thats why so many of our soldiers are returning home dead or missing a limb or two.

I wont even remind you this is a public message board open for all, and not just bigots. Opps I just did, silly me.



Polite, I didn't call you a bigot.
So, some newshound says Obama is a muslim and you get upset? Why? You don't like muslims?
I doubt anyone would know what his religion is and much less care. If he is a muslim that's between him and God.
Oh, and could you tell us all what your queen had for breakfast this morning? Who cares!
What does U.S. Foreign Policy" have to do with Obama's "religion" or lack thereof?




VideoAdminRho -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 11:31:13 PM)

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Why do the mods allow Sanity to hijack every thread with a subject matter he dislikes?

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I wonder why the moderators allow certain individuals to try to make every thread about ME.

I'm wondering if this thread can get back on topic and stay that way. If not, I will come back and do the 'mod thing' from the OP on.




popeye1250 -> RE: The damage being done (8/24/2010 11:36:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Popeye...case in point... Im English yes, but I live in Canada, and BOTH countries have more than close ties with you and if you dont get that then Im sorry for you.
Plus I will post any damn thing about anywhere I damn wish  within the guidelines of the TOS.... so lose the "you're not american" bullshit.... its so freaking boring and redundant.
can you do anything beside ignore the question or take the piss??






Lucy, the title of this thread is "The damage being done."
You seem to be saying that if people perceive that Obama is a muslim or has any muslim connections at all that he'll be "damaged" politically.
Am I close?
And yes we do have close ties with England and Canada but I couldn't give a shit which "religion" the Prime Ministers of either Canada or England belong to.
I wouldn't even know *how* to start a thread on it and if I did it would probably die quicker than one of "Brain's".
Oh, I know, I could title it, "Much ado about nothing!"
I couldn't care less about the Prime Ministers of Canada or England, in fact I can't even name them!
Why would you even care about Obama? It just doesn't make sense.




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