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CelticPrince -> RE: Training ?????? (9/27/2010 12:02:32 PM)
quote: i like the concept of training/ teaching/ being manipulated/ being initiated it was a steep learning curb when i first started fucking it took quite some practise to deep throat properly it was interesting to learn the joys of ass fucking and then there was that time when i was instructed to present myself properly... and then of course there is the more mundane stuff like setting a table, ironing and cooking and doing the books... ah well, you can't always have sex ranja, "can't always have sex".....say it is not so! As for your "training" it was progressive and therefore effective as it ended with a well exposed submissive. Thanks for your input. CP

CelticPrince -> RE: Training ?????? (9/27/2010 7:06:21 PM)
quote: To me what training signifies is that my Master shows me ways for me to please him more, he is a sadist, I am a masochist....he has built up my pain threshold so that it pleases him immensely. He tells me how much I mean to him and how happy I make him. Since I am first and foremost his sub/slave....that makes me extremely happy. He has taught me what pleases him over a period of time...so I suppose that can be called 'training'. [/quote femasoslave, a perfect match indeed but did that training involve a reward/punishment dynamic or simply verbal expression of expectancies. CP

CelticPrince -> RE: Training ?????? (9/28/2010 9:52:06 AM)
quote: I imagine that 'training' in its generic sense is divising and embedding certain behaviour aimed at having your needs met. Again....'needs' being generic...as her well-being is in your interests too. A related question is: training to what extent? And I suppose that depends on the things you value in your life....e.g. you may place a peaceful existence above constant/regular 'training'.....and perhaps this would lead you to find a partner who has her life in order and all you need to do is shave off a few rough edges....as opposed to finding a partner who needs a lot of work. I would certainly put myself in the 'life's too short' category.....yes there is a need to shave off a few rough edges..always will be as presumably your needs are specific to you...but I ain't got the time/will/patience/inclination...to build someone from scratch. In terms of 'breaking someone'.....this one always surprises me....presumably you've picked a partner because she can provide a lot of the things you value....why break that? I suppose the answer for some would be in order to establish your authority/power/hold over her.....then you'd have to argue that fear/anxiety are superior activating tools......in the long term....to authority through the positive factors you can bring to her life.... NG, Congrats on a cogent analysis of the phenom. Indeed life is too short and I can certainly affirm that! Thanks for that input. CP _____________________________

notagoth -> RE: Training ?????? (10/3/2010 2:44:13 AM)
This is a very interesting topic. I had so much fun thinking about it, that I wanted to throw my two cents in. I think when a lot of newbies seek out training, they really are looking for somebody to be their professor in BDSM 101. We spent so much of our lives learning in a controlled environment, that people's first instinct is to "go to school", so to speak. Training implies that their will be a structured framework for experiencing something new. Finding a person to serve for the first time without having any practical exposure is an intimidating prospect, but announcing "I need to be trained" makes the sub comfortable that they are not going to thrown out in the water without being taught to swim first. It is also easier to say "need training" than have an open dialog with your new Master/Dominant/partner about going slowly and respecting your limits. This being another skill gained with experience. As for the training vs. learning word debate, I would tend agree that from the most basic prospective, training and learning are the same, but training just seems a better fit. One of those fun words that captures the magic of dominance and submission better. There is something in its connotation that speaks of power exchange and objectification. Kind of like how having intercourse and f***ing are the same, but can paint a very different mental picture. This is my first time posting. I hope I get to know all the regulars around here!

MrBukani -> RE: Training ?????? (10/3/2010 5:46:15 AM)
Training of etiquette and formal serving just means you were raised by parents who have no etiquette, tradition or good values. Its pretty much all the same. You call it training here cos its sounds more harsh then learning. Like some use the term vanilla for regular people wich is an insult in my view. Now when you talk of dicipline I bet most people could use some. Cause most people these days are just pigheaded selfcentered consumers. Just the way the new world order wants you. lol

submitting4U -> RE: Training ?????? (10/3/2010 7:16:53 PM)
Training or operant conditioning, attempting to get a desired response. Human behavior while complex does react predictably to certain cues over time ... A good dom or domina uses these training techniques to modulate the sub/slave's responses. Like our pets ... we respond to cues both verbal and non verbal ... As it denotes a level of control, it also engenders safety as we try to avoid surprises in life. Just a few thoughts ...

CelticPrince -> RE: Training ?????? (10/7/2010 3:08:53 PM)
quote: This is a very interesting topic. I had so much fun thinking about it, that I wanted to throw my two cents in. I think when a lot of newbies seek out training, they really are looking for somebody to be their professor in BDSM 101. We spent so much of our lives learning in a controlled environment, that people's first instinct is to "go to school", so to speak. Training implies that their will be a structured framework for experiencing something new. Finding a person to serve for the first time without having any practical exposure is an intimidating prospect, but announcing "I need to be trained" makes the sub comfortable that they are not going to thrown out in the water without being taught to swim first. It is also easier to say "need training" than have an open dialog with your new Master/Dominant/partner about going slowly and respecting your limits. This being another skill gained with experience. As for the training vs. learning word debate, I would tend agree that from the most basic prospective, training and learning are the same, but training just seems a better fit. One of those fun words that captures the magic of dominance and submission better. There is something in its connotation that speaks of power exchange and objectification. Kind of like how having intercourse and f***ing are the same, but can paint a very different mental picture. This is my first time posting. I hope I get to know all the regulars around here! notagoth, Welcome to the boards and thanks for partisipating. Yours was a well thought out answer as I beleive that you took the time to read many of the posts. Kepp posting! CP

porcelaine -> RE: Training ?????? (10/7/2010 3:57:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince Training ?????????? Where did this term come from? For those that have a fair amount of time in this path we walk..were you ever trained? Greetings CelticPrince, It's my belief that the term is bandied about for a myriad of reasons. It's application can run the gamut from valid situations that require some form of direct instruction and others that merely call attention an individual's desire to promote their expertise. Whether it can be substantiated is another story. While I have been made aware of the specific protocol and standards of behavior my previous partners found pleasing, I wouldn't place it in the same category as training. It's more akin to behavioral conditioning instead. Nonetheless I have pursued formal training in different subject areas that I believed would heighten my intellect and provide an additional level of service to the dominant. On most occasions this took place outside of the framework of the relationship and reflects skills I pursued for self growth rather than in response to a directive from the other party. I draw a distinction between instruction received from reputable sources that are noted for their expertise in the subject matter and low key assistance that wouldn't take place in an official capacity. Both avenues have merit and should be included in a submissive's service journal (if applicable). Namaste, ~porcelaine

Bravado -> RE: Training ?????? (10/7/2010 4:02:18 PM)
If I have a schoolboy-style crush on porcelaine, does that make me seem like less of a man? If she was even half as beautiful and nearly as young as the model in her avatar, I'd be plotting a seduction on paper.

Voodali -> RE: Training ?????? (10/7/2010 4:15:01 PM)
To me, "training" means teaching a boy to make me happy. To some boys, "training" means me getting them off for free according to their tastes.

porcelaine -> RE: Training ?????? (10/7/2010 4:19:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bravado If I have a schoolboy-style crush on porcelaine, does that make me seem like less of a man? If she was even half as beautiful and nearly as young as the model in her avatar, I'd be plotting a seduction on paper. Greetings Bravado, It wouldn't diminish your manhood but it would call into question your certainty about my appearance and age. Thank you for the compliment. [;)] Namaste, ~porcelaine

Bravado -> RE: Training ?????? (10/7/2010 10:36:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: porcelaine quote: ORIGINAL: Bravado If I have a schoolboy-style crush on porcelaine, does that make me seem like less of a man? If she was even half as beautiful and nearly as young as the model in her avatar, I'd be plotting a seduction on paper. Greetings Bravado, It wouldn't diminish your manhood but it would call into question your certainty about my appearance and age. Thank you for the compliment. [;)] Namaste, ~porcelaine I'm comfortable living a lie. In my mind, you're gold.

CelticPrince -> RE: Training ?????? (10/8/2010 3:09:45 AM)
quote: Greetings CelticPrince, It's my belief that the term is bandied about for a myriad of reasons. It's application can run the gamut from valid situations that require some form of direct instruction and others that merely call attention an individual's desire to promote their expertise. Whether it can be substantiated is another story. While I have been made aware of the specific protocol and standards of behavior my previous partners found pleasing, I wouldn't place it in the same category as training. It's more akin to behavioral conditioning instead. Nonetheless I have pursued formal training in different subject areas that I believed would heighten my intellect and provide an additional level of service to the dominant. On most occasions this took place outside of the framework of the relationship and reflects skills I pursued for self growth rather than in response to a directive from the other party. I draw a distinction between instruction received from reputable sources that are noted for their expertise in the subject matter and low key assistance that wouldn't take place in an official capacity. Both avenues have merit and should be included in a submissive's service journal (if applicable). Namaste, ~porcelaine porcelaine, smiles, it certainly appears that you take your acquisition of knowledge to a much more formal level than most...certainly to be admired........I really like that concept of a service journal. CP

porcelaine -> RE: Training ?????? (10/8/2010 2:08:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince porcelaine, smiles, it certainly appears that you take your acquisition of knowledge to a much more formal level than most...certainly to be admired........I really like that concept of a service journal. Greetings CelticPrince, Thank you for the kind sentiments. My efforts may appear notable but I believe we all have something of merit to share. The caveat is discovering how we can bring our talents and interests into our relationships in a meaningful way. The service journal is a great tool. It provides a snapshot of the individual's progress and serves as a springboard for additional growth and recollection when we're apt to diminish ourselves in a negative fashion. Namaste, ~porcelaine

CelticPrince -> RE: Training ?????? (10/8/2010 6:44:50 PM)
quote: To me, "training" means teaching a boy to make me happy. To some boys, "training" means me getting them off for free according to their tastes. Voodali Aha, the confluence of treaning and teaching rises above it all once again. Good Fortune with your training.....errrr teaching. CP

TexasMaam -> RE: Training ?????? (10/10/2010 10:25:44 AM)
lololol CP your post made Me laugh out loud. If I were to take a colt or grown horse that had NEVER been handled, one full of spirit, fire, intelligence and sensitivity, and just slam a saddle on his back without any training, reinforcement or conditioning whatsoever, then command him to go where I point him, do you think he would go? lolololololol LOLOLOLOLOLOL How much more valuable, then, is a precious male sub than a horse? Training raises the 'hackles' on your neck, does it? RUN, subbies, RUN! TM

CalifChick -> RE: Training ?????? (10/10/2010 10:34:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TexasMaam If I were to take a colt or grown horse that had NEVER been handled, one full of spirit, fire, intelligence and sensitivity, and just slam a saddle on his back without any training, reinforcement or conditioning whatsoever, then command him to go where I point him, do you think he would go? So you have relationships with men that are no more civilized than wild horses???? Just where are you finding these males that react as wild horses? See, I'm just a girl, not a guy, but gosh, if I dom that I wanted to be with and wanted to serve said, "go make me some lasagna", the first and ONLY the first time I would say, "do you prefer vegetable or meat lasagne, ricotta or no ricotta", and then make the lasagna. When he ate the lasagna, if he did not comment, I would politely ask if it was to his liking, and if there was anything he would like different for next time. If it makes your knickers wet to call that training, go for it. I call it... *being an adult.* Cali

AquaticSub -> RE: Training ?????? (10/10/2010 10:50:00 AM)
I'm gonna go with Cali here. I'm a fan of 'training'. But we aren't wild horses, we are adults and should have some manners and some experience with interacting with other humans. Having seen wild horses being broken and trained... I don't think I've seen a human actually react that way. It's a sexy metaphor but that is about it. Though I'm still very curious if the OP will ever define what training is to them instead of only commenting on other people's opinions.

D0M1NANT -> RE: Training ?????? (10/10/2010 8:45:21 PM)
Training can also entail other aspects, such as the basis for the lifestyle.. Helping someone new to it to explore themselves and realize what their reasons for getting into the ls to begin with are so they can better proceed into searching for who they are meant to find. I DO teach girls coming into the lifestyle online.. Show them how to spot those who are usually seeking just a piece of ass on the side without wifey finding out, or those who REALLY should not be meeting girls because they will probably put said girl in the hospital or worse. VERY rarely does sex enter said conversations as I do not see that as what I should teach unless the girl is being trained to enter My house..

DickSteel -> RE: Training ?????? (10/10/2010 11:28:30 PM)
~fr Despite the OP's aversion to the term, training is vital part of everyone's life whether it is Dom training, sub training or secret agent training.

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