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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Some anonymous guy on the Internet claimed that, contrary to what the NOAA is telling us, and you believe it?

Seems your criteria for proof of something is entirely dependent on your own personal bias Samboct.

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ORIGINAL: samboct

Seems to me that there's a data collection and interpretation problem here. Overton, a geochemist at Louisiana State Univ, the guy who says that the remaining oil is "degrading quickly right now". also noted that the official maps from NOAA no longer show any surface oil in the gulf. However, Rulemylife has pointed out that boats are coming back with oil coating their hulls.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Yeah luce, its an insult and people are being moderated over less. Youre going to have to think a lot harder about what you post from here on out because your and mikes typical cheap shots wont cut the jelly any more.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Its not an insult, its a comment on the only possible polite reason behind your problem with that thread.
If I wanted to insult you , it would be worth being moderated over
you are not
Ken did not claim anything of the sort, and your constant claims otherwise, its the only rational choice

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


What do you think happens to the oil that naturally seeps into the Gulf every year, which is the equivalent of the Exxon Valdez happening there every year? All the evidence point to nature being far more capable of taking care of itself far better than many seem need to to believe.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


What do you think happens to the oil that naturally seeps into the Gulf every year, which is the equivalent of the Exxon Valdez happening there every year? All the evidence point to nature being far more capable of taking care of itself far better than many seem need to to believe.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You wouldnt constantly risk the wrath of the collarchat moderator team by taking these endless potshots at me if you honestly thought my arguments lacked reason mike. If you really believed that no one takes me seriously...

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
What seems to go right over your head Sanity is that you are the topic.You offer up these silly little threads,putting forth these silly little arguments(ecologically neutral?) and than feign shock when your thought processes and your very integrity is attacked.
When someone tells me 6 is actually 9 I have no other recourse than to question their grip on ...well sanity.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


What do you think happens to the oil that naturally seeps into the Gulf every year, which is the equivalent of the Exxon Valdez happening there every year? All the evidence point to nature being far more capable of taking care of itself far better than many seem need to to believe.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Really? YouTube video?

Thats real scientific Samboct...

Again, your standards are very flexible.

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ORIGINAL: samboct

Sanity

Well, about 30 seconds of digging turned this up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAZ26KdcI0&feature=related

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


What do you think happens to the oil that naturally seeps into the Gulf every year, which is the equivalent of the Exxon Valdez happening there every year? All the evidence point to nature being far more capable of taking care of itself far better than many seem need to to believe.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Yeah luce, its an insult and people are being moderated over less. Youre going to have to think a lot harder about what you post from here on out because your and mikes typical cheap shots wont cut the jelly any more.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Its not an insult, its a comment on the only possible polite reason behind your problem with that thread.
If I wanted to insult you , it would be worth being moderated over
you are not
Ken did not claim anything of the sort, and your constant claims otherwise, its the only rational choice

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ORIGINAL: samboct

"Your argument smacks of attacking the messenger to me BoiJen, these Universities are normally very respected among Liberal academic types. But now that these research findings dont support the radical anti job, anti domestic energy agenda of certain people Berkley and company have got to be in the pocket of big oil? "

Universities as a whole track record for accepting money from pharma/biotech has been less than exemplary. All too often the companies put limitations on publication which slow research down in order to protect their proprietary interests and the universities play along. BP's grant to UC Berkeley was likely for publicity purposes to claim that they were working on alternatives to fossil fuel, when in reality, in their corporate labs, they do very little research on the subject. Having been to several MRS meetings with presentations on various topics of wind, solar, geothermal etc. Presenters from oil companies are absent, and I haven't met anybody at one of those conferences from an oil company yet. However, it's also possible that the guy really does believe what he's claiming.

In response to the Louisiana shrimp eating post-the gulf of Mexico is a big place. If you sample 200 sites- well, that can sound like a lot, until you realize how big the gulf is relative to the size of the plume. Not finding the plume doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, just that it hasn't been found yet. While it's possible that the failure to find the plume means that the microbes have chewed it up, an equally parsimonious interpretation is that the searchers simply haven't looked in the right place for it. Or that the dispersants injected at the well head did their job, and that the oil has less cohesiveness than other slicks and hence, the plume is rather more dispersed than expected. But we certainly don't have a good handle on the chemistry going on here, therefore it's premature to cheer that we don't have a problem.


Sam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Strange how you whine incessantly about being insulted but feel it is fine to baselessly call me a liar and insinuate that I faked a picture that can easily be sourced to NASA.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I never claimed to be an expert john, though I believe samboct did and I know Archer did as well. However, I am doing a pretty good job of deflating the far left propaganda claiming that the Gulf of Mexico was totally covered in crude and can never possibly recover.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

You keep citing that info but where did you get it?

All I found was this http://www.springerlink.com/content/bya6g7r7ceebanrl/

which indicates a mean value worldwide (the gulf is a tiny bit of that) of about 600,000 metric tons per year.

Estimates of the Exxon Valdese spill are in the 112,000 metric tons range so in the whole world, there are about 6 Valdeses/year leaking.

The gulf is what?  1-2% of the world's sea surface area?

Just sayin..

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

No, you are not, as many people have noted.

And in case you haven't noticed, I don't think Archer would describe himself as being on the left.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3377629

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

You keep citing that info but where did you get it?

All I found was this http://www.springerlink.com/content/bya6g7r7ceebanrl/

which indicates a mean value worldwide (the gulf is a tiny bit of that) of about 600,000 metric tons per year.

Estimates of the Exxon Valdese spill are in the 112,000 metric tons range so in the whole world, there are about 6 Valdeses/year leaking.

The gulf is what?  1-2% of the world's sea surface area?

Just sayin..

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ORIGINAL: Sanity



From the AP:

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New microbe discovered eating oil spill in Gulf



This microbe thrives in cold water, with temperatures in the deep recorded at 5 degrees Celsius (41 Fahrenheit).

Hazen suggested that the bacteria may have adapted over time due to periodic leaks and natural seeps of oil in the Gulf...

And again, from the article I quoted for the OP:

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...natural oil seeps in the Gulf of Mexico have put out the equivalent of an Exxon Valdez spill each year, Hazen said.

Large quantities of oil occur in the Gulf of Mexico naturally, and it has a newly discovered natural microbial enemy - which is extremely good news for everyone except those on the far left who are unwilling to accept the science for purely ideological reasons which make sense to no one but themselves.