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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 6:50:51 AM   
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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 6:51:25 AM   
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How or why do you believe that BP had anything to do with the study cited BoiJen?


Actually, Mistress Ronne, Fellow did....

Here's the post....

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Washingtonsblog has been involved collecting the news about  the situation with BP:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/

"According to University of Maryland aquatic toxicologist Carys Mitchelmore, Hazen’s team only measured the breakdown of select compounds in the oil. “There’s lots of other chemicals in the oil,” she said.She also stressed that it’s essential to identify what happens when oil is degraded. That catch-all term implies that it just vanishes, but “sometimes things can be degraded into more toxic components,” said Mitchelmore. The latest study did not make those measurements, nor did it test how microbes interacted with chemical oil dispersants used during the disaster."

Very important!
As Lawrence Berkeley Labs notes, the research was funded by BP:



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I hope fellow doesn't mind me emphasizing the link and font at the bottom.


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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 6:51:26 AM   
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Same with you mike. Do you ever post on topic?

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Its like reading "The Onion"...never take anything he posts serious.Of course his material is second rate.....at best.


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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 6:51:41 AM   
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I did? News to me....My only "claim to fame" (I can dream, can't I?) here is that I try to be a critical reader of science that gets reported in the popular press and presented a differing viewpoint on some of the possibilities.


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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 6:53:58 AM   
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Now perhaps we should argue "the merits of whats being posted"?So lets look at the claim that deepwater oil drilling is essentially "ecologically neutral.
Dammit we are back to a fucking Onion type discussion.

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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 6:54:33 AM   
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Instead of violating TOS with these typical cheap personal shots of yours luce, why not try to discuss the facts and argue the merits of whats being posted by those of us who are actually trying to contribute something to the thread.

Do that and you might possibly stick around to post another day...


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his reading comprehension seems to be a humungous issue over that thread Ken, no matter how many times hes gotton it wrong, he keeps claiming otherwise.



Its not an insult, its a comment on the only possible polite reason behind your problem with that thread.
If I wanted to insult you , it would be worth being moderated over
you are not
Ken did not claim anything of the sort, and your constant claims otherwise, its the only rational choice




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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 6:56:20 AM   
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An existing ten year grant:

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Hazen, who has studied numerous oil-spill sites in the past, is the leader of the Ecology Department and Center for Environmental Biotechnology at Berkeley Lab’s Earth Sciences Division.  He conducted this research under an existing grant he holds with the Energy Biosciences Institute (EBI) to study microbial enhanced hydrocarbon recovery. EBI is a partnership led by the University of California (UC) Berkeley and including Berkeley Lab and the University of Illinois that is funded by a $500 million, 10-year grant from BP.


So youre claiming that some of the most Liberal universities in the world are bought and paid of by a ten year grant by BP?

Thats a really shallow argument in my opinion.


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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 6:58:42 AM   
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Yeah luce, its an insult and people are being moderated over less. Youre going to have to think a lot harder about what you post from here on out because your and mikes typical cheap shots wont cut the jelly any more.

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Its not an insult, its a comment on the only possible polite reason behind your problem with that thread.
If I wanted to insult you , it would be worth being moderated over
you are not
Ken did not claim anything of the sort, and your constant claims otherwise, its the only rational choice





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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:00:55 AM   
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An existing ten year grant:

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Hazen, who has studied numerous oil-spill sites in the past, is the leader of the Ecology Department and Center for Environmental Biotechnology at Berkeley Lab’s Earth Sciences Division.  He conducted this research under an existing grant he holds with the Energy Biosciences Institute (EBI) to study microbial enhanced hydrocarbon recovery. EBI is a partnership led by the University of California (UC) Berkeley and including Berkeley Lab and the University of Illinois that is funded by a $500 million, 10-year grant from BP.


So youre claiming that some of the most Liberal universities in the world are bought and paid of by a ten year grant by BP?

Thats a really shallow argument in my opinion.



Universities rarely tell a tenured scientist what to publish as long as he or she keeps the grant $ coming in.  Been there, done that, the T shirt went someplace in a hurricane.

If you had ever ventured near one, you might know that.

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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:01:29 AM   
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To call to attention the fact that many folks here think (and have demonstrated with some regularity) that your comprehension is less than adequate, or that you cite things often which are exactly 180 degrees from the propeganda you push is neither an ad hominem attack, nor is it an illogical fallacy, by its definition,  and I would hope that commonly agreed citeable argumentation will never be against the TOS here. 

Because there is claptrap that do not deserve an honest consideration, ever.

PS....is someone already pulling posts here, because this was to Sanity, but it says to mike now.  WTF?

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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:04:18 AM   
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The bullshit here is you changing the subject to the remaining surface slick, conservative politics, and some weird hallucination of being told "there is no oil", when nobody said that, and both the thread topic and the post you're responding to are about the underwater plume.

K.


No, the whole point of this thread is to imply that the oil is not a problem.

Which has been a conservative mantra from the start.  BP has been defended and the government has been blamed. 



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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:06:03 AM   
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An existing ten year grant:

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Hazen, who has studied numerous oil-spill sites in the past, is the leader of the Ecology Department and Center for Environmental Biotechnology at Berkeley Lab’s Earth Sciences Division.  He conducted this research under an existing grant he holds with the Energy Biosciences Institute (EBI) to study microbial enhanced hydrocarbon recovery. EBI is a partnership led by the University of California (UC) Berkeley and including Berkeley Lab and the University of Illinois that is funded by a $500 million, 10-year grant from BP.


So youre claiming that some of the most Liberal universities in the world are bought and paid of by a ten year grant by BP?

Thats a really shallow argument in my opinion.



Sanity, have you ever been in a major car accident? If not, let me explain to you how it works when the insurance company doesn't want to pay for something. They have either an individual "expert" or a group of "experts" already paid for (and they pay an exorbitant amount of money to have these folks on hand) tell you (the victim in the accident) and any judge or jury that you have no real claim to benefits or medical coverage because the "expert" says so. One neurologist I've dealt with in the past has said that he's seen such determinations made by an "independent medical examiner" stating that a man was not wheelchair bound because he could take one step before collapsing....the insurance company claimed the man simply "wasn't trying hard enough" to walk. The man hand a spinal cord injury.

So, I'm not sure that a company with a record for having spills on land and safety issues prepaying a group of scientists to be in their pocket is a shallow argument. Rather, I'd call it insurance.

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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:06:10 AM   
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You are typically no better at arguing facts yourself mnot, these personal attacks are normally all youve got.

Werent you banned altogether previously?


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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:09:45 AM   
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Images if the slick taken after the well was plugged this month near the Miss delta

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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:12:19 AM   
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Same with you mike. Do you ever post on topic?

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Its like reading "The Onion"...never take anything he posts serious.Of course his material is second rate.....at best.

What seems to go right over your head Sanity is that you are the topic.You offer up these silly little threads,putting forth these silly little arguments(ecologically neutral?) and than feign shock when your thought processes and your very integrity is attacked.
When someone tells me 6 is actually 9 I have no other recourse than to question their grip on ...well sanity.

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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:12:59 AM   
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Your argument smacks of attacking the messenger to me BoiJen, these Universities are normally very respected among Liberal academic types. But now that these research findings dont support the radical anti job, anti domestic energy agenda of certain people Berkley and company have got to be in the pocket of big oil?


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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:14:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is a classic example of an ad hominem with a flavor of illogial fallacy: tu quoque.  You haven't any sort of demonstration of it, and you claim some personal attack that ain't there, you then proceed to impute that my banning was for attacking such as you, which it was not.  Say, haven't you been moderated before? (tu quoque, brute?)

That is a violation of TOS in the way I understand it Tom.  But you're hilarious shit, so I don't give a fuck, and won't report it. Nevertheless, I restate my position, that nobody ever (on any side) here, said what you said they said.  Its made up.

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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:21:04 AM   
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You wouldnt constantly risk the wrath of the collarchat moderator team by taking these endless potshots at me if you honestly thought my arguments lacked reason mike. If you really believed that no one takes me seriously...


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What seems to go right over your head Sanity is that you are the topic.You offer up these silly little threads,putting forth these silly little arguments(ecologically neutral?) and than feign shock when your thought processes and your very integrity is attacked.
When someone tells me 6 is actually 9 I have no other recourse than to question their grip on ...well sanity.


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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:21:25 AM   
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Your argument smacks of attacking the messenger to me BoiJen, these Universities are normally very respected among Liberal academic types. But now that these research findings dont support the radical anti job, anti domestic energy agenda of certain people Berkley and company have got to be in the pocket of big oil?



The FDA requires that any new product must also have independent trial results within a percentage of what the production company claims it to have. The idea is that study results from groups that have the studies paid for by the production company aren't really valid because of the tendency to pay off the scientists doing the research in company funded studies.

Why would this case be any different?

Also, you haven't addressed the part where this study only focused on certain chemicals in oil and did absolutely no research on what happens when the original chemicals break down. To say that such a study is "complete" in terms of determining clean up issues and toxicity issues is tantamount to negligence.

boi

PS. I'm not a fuckin liberal. Please, don't bring partisan issues into a discussion of the validity of a scientific study.


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RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study - 8/26/2010 7:28:32 AM   
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What do you think happens to the oil that naturally seeps into the Gulf every year, which is the equivalent of the Exxon Valdez happening there every year? All the evidence point to nature being far more capable of taking care of itself far better than many seem need to to believe.


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