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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/29/2010 6:50:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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Leave it Realone to hijack a thread and turn it into a fucking "Sovereign Citizen" sermon.


try constitution lesson :)

If you feel that I have made an error please post whatever senate documents and statutes at large that you have and I will be happy to post mine k?



You post the same things that you've posted countless times and been proven wrong countless times.

I don't think there is a need to bother anymore, just enjoy your baseless rants.



Your post is blank......Feel free to post your senate reports, historical records and docs to show any error you believe I may have made.  Including any citations of what you feel is "proof" Otherwise, well you have nothing.







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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/29/2010 6:57:37 PM   
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Up until recently, I would have been one of the people who would claim that religion is just ridiculous nonsense for superstitious fools. But Dawkins changed everything. Much as I agree with his basic plot, that there is no God, I find the militant atheist movement spawned by his writings much more scary than any organised religion could ever be.

As far as I am concerned, freedom of religion and the freedom to practice religion without fear of persecution is absolutely paramount. Personally I would go further than the US does in protecting religious folk from having their beliefs insulted, but I recognise that others may not feel quite so accommodating.




yes.... I just read the re-enactment of another case that the judge said no constitution or declaration of independence was allowed in his court.

Personally I feel everyone in america should get a trafic ticket whatever and take it to court defending themselves just so they can feel how how a well oiled extortion racket really works.

I may not agree with people that are highly religious on their decisions in many cases but they have yet to outright railroad me like the courts try to do.

When you go in as a pro se and see how smoothly they insure you are swept along with their current and how they literally gag you you would be shocked.

No injured party.  just some "naughty boy" fine.  lol


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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/29/2010 10:38:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		You already have freedom from religion. If you don't want to believe in anything, there is no law that is stopping you. However you don't have the right to tell others what to believe or not believe. See how easy that is.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 12:22:53 AM   
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I was speaking about this just the other day with a friend. We were both against the PATRIOT Act when it was passed in such hurried fashion and we are still against it today. There does seem to be an overall on the issue presently and that is disturbing as it is still on the "books."

Actually many sections have been invalidated completely or seriously weakened by court decisions of the last few years. For instance the expansion of National Security Letters has been struck down completely. Sneak and Peek warrants have likewise been ruled unconstitutional.



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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 2:08:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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I was speaking about this just the other day with a friend. We were both against the PATRIOT Act when it was passed in such hurried fashion and we are still against it today. There does seem to be an overall on the issue presently and that is disturbing as it is still on the "books."

Actually many sections have been invalidated completely or seriously weakened by court decisions of the last few years. For instance the expansion of National Security Letters has been struck down completely. Sneak and Peek warrants have likewise been ruled unconstitutional.





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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 4:14:49 AM   
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


It is pretty straightforward.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 5:01:02 AM   
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I find the militant atheist movement spawned by his writings much more scary than any organised religion could ever be.

This seems strange to me since all the atheists I've seen labeled "militant" wanted to do was talk. It's not like they want to kill everyone who disagreed with them.



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Personally I would go further than the US does in protecting religious folk from having their beliefs insulted, but I recognise that others may not feel quite so accommodating.

What would constitute "having their beliefs insulted" and what would you do to protect religious folk from it?

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 11:25:05 AM   
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By perpetuating the idea of hate towards those that practice Islam, we as a nation are eroding that which we stand for, and are perpetuating the same kind of blanket hatred that allowed Hitler to rise to power.


I think you assume an awful lot here. There are a small amount of people that may hate those that practice Islam, but that is not the reason most oppose the building of the Mosque. As someone that does oppose the Mosque I resent your accusations. No one is disputing their right to put the Mosque there. But just because you have the right to do something, does not mean that it is the right thing to do. Americans have been lectured on tolerance during this debate, but tolerance is a two way street. The builders of this Mosque must be tolerant of Americans and their feelings too. Not all Muslims are violent, but like it or not, the atrocity that was committed on 911 was done in the name of Islam. Therefore, many do not think it appropriate to build a Mosque that overlooks that site. Gov. Patterson has offered to find them land elsewhere; it is very telling that they have not jumped at that opportunity. They say that are trying to build bridges, but if the people you are trying to build bridges to are becoming upset by your actions, wouldn’t you back off and try to work with them? The fact they are not doing so is very interesting. It tells me they may not be so much about building bridges, and that they are not really interested in a Mosque so much as a Mosque located across from GZ. In the end it is less important what I think, or you think about it, what is important is what our enemy thinks about it. The jihadist websites are gleeful about this Mosque. They see it as a victory arch built right over the ashes of our dead. They see it as a great recruiting tool and already talk about how one day future jihadist can visit it to get inspiration before launching future attacks against us.
Last I would say to leftists, that it is possible to disagree with someone without impugning their motives. I don’t hate Muslims and I am not evil, you do not have to accuse me of such because I have real legitimate concerns about this Mosque. If the people who were building this had some compassion for the Americans against this and truly wanted outreach they would move the location of this Mosque, but that’s not going to happen is it?

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 11:31:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well said.

I think nothing gets my ire up more than being cast as a hater, racist and loon for objecting to where this structure will be placed. One thing is for certain however, the instant you voice an opinion that doesn't follow left leaning mantra, you will be cast as one.



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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 5:31:55 PM   
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Gov. Patterson has offered to find them land elsewhere; it is very telling that they have not jumped at that opportunity.


What exactly is it telling? That many in the congregation this mosque is being built for don't have cars?

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 6:49:52 PM   
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What exactly is it telling? That many in the congregation this mosque is being built for don't have cars?

OMG!! Cars?! Seriously?! Cars?! Trust in this, the value of the location of that site has absolutely nothing to do with cars and everything to do with symbolism. They are big on symbolism; remember why they hit those buildings in the first place. You don't have to agree with me, but don't kid yourself about what is going on here. It doesn't help you, or the debate at hand.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 8:19:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		The mosque, which doesnt have the money for constructionk also owes over $200,000 in back taxes, whiich is a violation of their contract with ConEd. As I said, this thing will never be built. All the angst over it is wasted energy.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 8:38:54 PM   
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OMG!! Cars?! Seriously?! Cars?! Trust in this, the value of the location of that site has absolutely nothing to do with cars and everything to do with symbolism.

I can't help but noticed that you've dismissed my point with ridicule instead of actually addressing it. The thing is, the majority of NYC residents don't own cars. So while having to drive a little really wouldn't effect most of the rest of us, having to travel in order to practice their religion would be a much greater inconvenience to the majority of NYC.

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They are big on symbolism; remember why they hit those buildings in the first place.

*face palm*

You should stop and really take a look at your sentence here because this is why people think you're a bigot.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 8:45:06 PM   
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The mosque, which doesnt have the money for constructionk also owes over $200,000 in back taxes, whiich is a violation of their contract with ConEd. As I said, this thing will never be built. All the angst over it is wasted energy.



Uh, you mind giving a link to verify that the group in charge of the project owe back taxes on the property. It would seem that the whole project is under the control of a non-profit organization and this therefore tax exempt. If you have other information to the contrary I would like to see it.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 8:59:57 PM   
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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 9:03:34 PM   
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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 9:29:21 PM   
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


It is pretty straightforward.



betcha it aint! 

No one to date has gotten this one correct. 

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble

what does that mean in the original intent?  

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 9:36:44 PM   
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What exactly is it telling? That many in the congregation this mosque is being built for don't have cars?

OMG!! Cars?! Seriously?! Cars?! Trust in this, the value of the location of that site has absolutely nothing to do with cars and everything to do with symbolism. They are big on symbolism; remember why they hit those buildings in the first place. You don't have to agree with me, but don't kid yourself about what is going on here. It doesn't help you, or the debate at hand.

Please learn who the sufi are and why your claim is ludicrous.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/30/2010 9:37:25 PM   
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3 Reasons the "Ground Zero Mosque" Debate Makes No Sense


1. It’s Not at Ground Zero

The proposed structure is not on the hallowed ground of the former World Trade Center. It’s at an abandoned and private building blocks away that used to be the Burlington Coat Factory. That means that if every one of the “g’s” that Sarah Palin drops when she’s talkin’ folksy were 10 by10 feet large, you could still stack over 120 of them from Ground Zero to this community center. Easy.


http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-reasons-the-ground-zero-mosque-debate-makes-no-sense/#ixzz0y9f4AyiZ



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Therefore, many do not think it appropriate to build a Mosque that overlooks that site. Gov. Patterson has offered to find them land elsewhere;

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 12:41:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: brokedickdog
I was speaking about this just the other day with a friend. We were both against the PATRIOT Act when it was passed in such hurried fashion and we are still against it today. There does seem to be an overall on the issue presently and that is disturbing as it is still on the "books."

Actually many sections have been invalidated completely or seriously weakened by court decisions of the last few years. For instance the expansion of National Security Letters has been struck down completely. Sneak and Peek warrants have likewise been ruled unconstitutional.





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No. It means what I wrote. The parts that were most objectionable have been ruled unconstitutional. There are other sections I'd love to see repealed (the library stuff principally) but that would require yet more fighting with the right.

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