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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 1:30:28 AM   
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By perpetuating the idea of hate towards those that practice Islam, we as a nation are eroding that which we stand for, and are perpetuating the same kind of blanket hatred that allowed Hitler to rise to power.


I think you assume an awful lot here. There are a small amount of people (people don't come in amounts, genius. They come in numbers - HK) that may hate those that practice Islam, but that is not the reason most oppose the building of the Mosque. As someone that does oppose the Mosque I resent your accusations. No one is disputing their right to put the Mosque there. But just because you have the right to do something, does not mean that it is the right thing to do.

Who says it isn't the right thing to do? Glen Beck? I say it IS the right thing to do.

"However, what is perhaps most insulting is the idea that a Beck’s Badge of Merit will somehow mean more than a “progressive” Purple Heart because it rewards “honor and integrity.” For many, the mere fact that someone is willing to sacrifice their life and limb for country, and is in fact wounded, symbolizes their “honor and integrity.”

Like all of us who didn’t serve in the military, Glenn Beck should show a little respect for the service, especially those who have been wounded in the line of duty. He seems to think he’s attacking liberals in general and FDR specifically when he derides the Purple Heart by denigrating it as a reward for being a victim. That is really despicable — especially so in Beck’s case, because, instead of serving his country, Beck spent his teen and young-adult years laid up smoking pot and doing coke."
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/08/27/why-is-glenn-beck-smearing-the-purple-heart-to-promote-his-million-moron-march/

That pigfucking hypocrite's opinion means more than mine? I don't think so. While I don't have a Purple Heart, I DO have a DD214, which is a whole lot more than that traitor has. My opinion means more. Period. Fuck that fat shit-swiller.

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Americans have been lectured on tolerance during this debate, but tolerance is a two way street. The builders of this Mosque must be tolerant of Americans and their feelings too. Not all Muslims are violent, but like it or not, the atrocity that was committed on 911 was done in the name of Islam.
No, it was done in the name of getting Americans the fuck out of Saudi Arabia, and to stop meddling in the ME by overthrowing the govt of Iran (for instance) and installing Pahlavi, a CIA sycophant, among other crimes.
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Therefore, many do not think it appropriate to build a Mosque that overlooks that site. Gov. Patterson has offered to find them land elsewhere; it is very telling that they have not jumped at that opportunity. They say that are trying to build bridges, but if the people you are trying to build bridges to are becoming upset by your actions, wouldn’t you back off and try to work with them? The fact they are not doing so is very interesting. It tells me they may not be so much about building bridges, and that they are not really interested in a Mosque so much as a Mosque located across from GZ. In the end it is less important what I think, or you think about it, what is important is what our enemy thinks about it. The jihadist websites are gleeful about this Mosque. They see it as a victory arch built right over the ashes of our dead. They see it as a great recruiting tool and already talk about how one day future jihadist can visit it to get inspiration before launching future attacks against us.
You'd have more credibility if you would stop repeating xenophobic rightard lies. The COMMUNITY CENTER and PRAYER CENTER are NOT across from so-called "ground zero". I personally don't give a flying fuck what some moronic toothless Gomer from Assrim VA thinks is right. I care about the Constitution (you know, that "piece of paper" that the Busheviks wipe(d) their asses with, thereby spitting in the faces of every American who gave their lives defending the Constitution? That piece of paper that soldiers and Congresspeople pledge to defend? You've heard of it, right?)
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Last I would say to leftists, that it is possible to disagree with someone without impugning their motives. I don’t hate Muslims and I am not evil, you do not have to accuse me of such because I have real legitimate concerns about this Mosque. If the people who were building this had some compassion for the Americans against this and truly wanted outreach they would move the location of this Mosque, but that’s not going to happen is it?

No, we Progressives know what their motives are.


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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 4:39:10 AM   
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


It is pretty straightforward.



betcha it aint! 

No one to date has gotten this one correct. 

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble

what does that mean in the original intent?  


I am not going to argue constitutional law with you. Your posts are dumb.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 7:26:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
"However, what is perhaps most insulting is the idea that a Beck’s Badge of Merit will somehow mean more than a “progressive” Purple Heart because it rewards “honor and integrity.” For many, the mere fact that someone is willing to sacrifice their life and limb for country, and is in fact wounded, symbolizes their “honor and integrity.”

Like all of us who didn’t serve in the military, Glenn Beck should show a little respect for the service, especially those who have been wounded in the line of duty. He seems to think he’s attacking liberals in general and FDR specifically when he derides the Purple Heart by denigrating it as a reward for being a victim. That is really despicable — especially so in Beck’s case, because, instead of serving his country, Beck spent his teen and young-adult years laid up smoking pot and doing coke."
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/08/27/why-is-glenn-beck-smearing-the-purple-heart-to-promote-his-million-moron-march/

That pigfucking hypocrite's opinion means more than mine? I don't think so. While I don't have a Purple Heart, I DO have a DD214, which is a whole lot more than that traitor has. My opinion means more. Period. Fuck that fat shit-swiller.

Wait a fucking second, I missed this. Beck is denigrating the Purple Heart? Why hasn't he been torn limb from limb?

Someone needs to explain to the moron that the award isn't for being a victim but an acknowledgement that the winner has placed his or her body in harms way.

I am so goddamned sick and tired of right wing hypocrites who never served a single day in uniform who display such contempt for those who serve.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 7:56:04 AM   
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Wait a fucking second, I missed this. Beck is denigrating the Purple Heart? Why hasn't he been torn limb from limb?

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201005260036

K.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 8:01:28 AM   
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Who says it isn't the right thing to do? Glen Beck? I say it IS the right thing to do.

"However, what is perhaps most insulting is the idea that a Beck’s Badge of Merit will somehow mean more than a “progressive” Purple Heart because it rewards “honor and integrity.” For many, the mere fact that someone is willing to sacrifice their life and limb for country, and is in fact wounded, symbolizes their “honor and integrity.”

Like all of us who didn’t serve in the military, Glenn Beck should show a little respect for the service, especially those who have been wounded in the line of duty. He seems to think he’s attacking liberals in general and FDR specifically when he derides the Purple Heart by denigrating it as a reward for being a victim. That is really despicable — especially so in Beck’s case, because, instead of serving his country, Beck spent his teen and young-adult years laid up smoking pot and doing coke."
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/08/27/why-is-glenn-beck-smearing-the-purple-heart-to-promote-his-million-moron-march/

That pigfucking hypocrite's opinion means more than mine? I don't think so. While I don't have a Purple Heart, I DO have a DD214, which is a whole lot more than that traitor has. My opinion means more. Period. Fuck that fat shit-swiller.

Man, I don't even know what you were smoking when you wrote this. I NEVER even mentioned Glen Beck so your rant with My quote above is puzzling. You don't address anything I said and go off about Glen Beck. For the record, I just got out of the Army in Feb. I went on two tours of duty in Iraq. I have no problem with the Purple Heart many of my good friends have one. So I very much respect that medal.

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No, it was done in the name of getting Americans the fuck out of Saudi Arabia, and to stop meddling in the ME by overthrowing the govt of Iran (for instance) and installing Pahlavi, a CIA sycophant, among other crimes.

So now you channel Ossama Bin Ladden? You must be pretty tight with ol' Ossama to know his mind and motivations so well. You sound so sure of yourself. You remind me of an old saying: "The problem with people is not what they don't know, it's what they think they know that just isn't true"

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You'd have more credibility if you would stop repeating xenophobic rightard lies. The COMMUNITY CENTER and PRAYER CENTER are NOT across from so-called "ground zero". I personally don't give a flying fuck what some moronic toothless Gomer from Assrim VA thinks is right. I care about the Constitution (you know, that "piece of paper" that the Busheviks wipe(d) their asses with, thereby spitting in the faces of every American who gave their lives defending the Constitution? That piece of paper that soldiers and Congresspeople pledge to defend? You've heard of it, right?)

You'd have more credibility if you would stop going off on rants that don't address what I said and try and focus on what I did say. The Mosque (don't fool yourself that is what it is) is located so close to GZ that the falling debris from 911 is what made the lot available in the first place. So when I said it was across the street I was accurate (stupid to argue that point). I care about the Constitution too. I have given an oath to protect it from enemies both foreign and domestic. Did you read the sentence where I stated that just because you have a right to do something (that’s the part that refers to The Constitution), does not mean it’s the right thing to do? I guess you missed that line while you were changing your bong water. I don’t care what some toothless hippy from Berkeley California thinks either. I do care about the feelings of most of my fellow Americans and the perceptions of the Jihadists. I nowhere stated I want the Federal Government to stop them, I am saying we should put pressure on them to do the right thing in other ways, so I am in no ways at odds with The Constitution. BTW: you get a leftard bingo double score for using the words xenophobic and rightard together in the same sentence.

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No, we Progressives know what their motives are.

Yes, you progressives know all. You know, this sounds very authoritarian. It sounds like something a brownshirt might say. “Ve know you, ve know your motives an’ ve ‘ave vays of making you talk”. Hey, here’s a thought. Why don’t you live up to your moniker a little bit and mello out. Understand that the people against this are fellow Americans and that you can try and talk to them and work with them too. Your post sounded like you were about to burst a blood vessel. There is no need for all that anger.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 8:29:41 AM   
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If you'd cite whom you are quoting it would make your posts more understandable.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 9:52:45 AM   
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Sorry, that was in response to Hippiekinkster

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 10:32:26 AM   
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The mosque, which doesnt have the money for constructionk also owes over $200,000 in back taxes, whiich is a violation of their contract with ConEd. As I said, this thing will never be built. All the angst over it is wasted energy.



Uh, you mind giving a link to verify that the group in charge of the project owe back taxes on the property. It would seem that the whole project is under the control of a non-profit organization and this therefore tax exempt. If you have other information to the contrary I would like to see it.


Its not even a tax exempt organization!

Thanks for posting the link, GS.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 1:45:54 PM   
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Leave it Realone to hijack a thread and turn it into a fucking "Sovereign Citizen" sermon.


try constitution lesson :)

If you feel that I have made an error please post whatever senate documents and statutes at large that you have and I will be happy to post mine k?



You post the same things that you've posted countless times and been proven wrong countless times.

I don't think there is a need to bother anymore, just enjoy your baseless rants.



Your post is blank......Feel free to post your senate reports, historical records and docs to show any error you believe I may have made.  Including any citations of what you feel is "proof" Otherwise, well you have nothing.



Been there, done that.

No point in wasting my time anymore.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 2:16:49 PM   
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The builders of this Mosque must be tolerant of Americans and their feelings too.


Hey, guess what?

The builders of this mosque ARE Americans.

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The jihadist websites are gleeful about this Mosque. They see it as a victory arch built right over the ashes of our dead. They see it as a great recruiting tool and already talk about how one day future jihadist can visit it to get inspiration before launching future attacks against us.



Ok, post some of the links to the sites that say those things.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 2:22:30 PM   
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The mosque, which doesnt have the money for constructionk also owes over $200,000 in back taxes, whiich is a violation of their contract with ConEd. As I said, this thing will never be built. All the angst over it is wasted energy.



Uh, you mind giving a link to verify that the group in charge of the project owe back taxes on the property. It would seem that the whole project is under the control of a non-profit organization and this therefore tax exempt. If you have other information to the contrary I would like to see it.


Its not even a tax exempt organization!

Thanks for posting the link, GS.



If you had paid attention, you would have noticed I thanked someone who provided the link that was contrary to the information I had.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 3:18:15 PM   
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Wait a fucking second, I missed this. Beck is denigrating the Purple Heart? Why hasn't he been torn limb from limb?

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201005260036

K.


Goddamn fucking moron.

It wasn't revived by FDR but by Douglas MacArthur and it was first issued before FDR was elected. Specifically it was revived on Febuary 22 1932 (the bicentennial of Washington's birth). MacArthur was actually the first recipient of the Purple Heart for wounds he received in WWI.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 8/31/2010 10:55:11 PM   
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RE: Freedom of religion - 9/1/2010 5:48:31 PM   
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Wait a fucking second, I missed this. Beck is denigrating the Purple Heart? Why hasn't he been torn limb from limb?

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201005260036

K.


Goddamn fucking moron.

It wasn't revived by FDR but by Douglas MacArthur and it was first issued before FDR was elected. Specifically it was revived on Febuary 22 1932 (the bicentennial of Washington's birth). MacArthur was actually the first recipient of the Purple Heart for wounds he received in WWI.

Ever notice how there were no medals in the civil war ? According to the late General Smedley Butler, men were paid to be in the military and even given bonuses for 'success' most of which were actually negotiated before enlistment.

Fast forward to the Spanish/American war and you get all kinds of metals. Why ? Because the powers felt that it was a way of recognizing superior action and performance...even heroism. Oh yea...what happened to my bonus ? Well you guys ache to be...decotorated so you get a piece of metal instead. Fast forward to WWI and now you will serve...or go to jail or will never be a citizen or...

...and you'll take $30/month. Out of which you get nothing after having to pay for most everything we...tell you to. Awarding medals (Gen. Smedley, awarded every one offered by the Marines including two medals of honor) became a substitute for paying men to fight...and die. It was thought by govt. that 'they' craved to be a decorated war hero.

So what I hear most from decorated veterans in reply to 'How did you get your medal ?'  The answer most often is...'I made it out alive.'

BTW, the WHOLE Mosque issue is not an issue at all. It is only yet another new vehicle for right wing demagoguery similar to the immigration 'issue' the same rightwing failed to address when on their watch.

They use these false issues as a means to stoke nationalism, prejudice and to take your attention and affections away from those who disagree on the issue. It is purposefully used as a means to divide people around an obvious suggestion...depriving others of their Const. rights.

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RE: Freedom of religion - 9/7/2010 5:25:21 AM   
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I brought the topic up and it was interesting to see that it seemed as though people assumed I was talking about the building of the "ground zero mosque".

And I wasn't.

There are other mosques being protested, and as written about here a man was stabbed for his religious beliefs. It is naive to believe that he was the only one injured that week, or the next.

And now a Christian church is planning on burning the Quran on September 11.

Beyond the potentially longterm violent consequences of that action, is again the fact that any time anyone is persecuted for his/her/their religion it erodes at the fabric of this country.
Of course, this is not just reserved for Muslims, but for Jews, Mormons, Pagans... for any of us.

Something to consider: Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
It is expected to become the most popular religion sometime within the next several decades.






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