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Aneirin -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/29/2010 6:23:07 PM)

Killing people, random acts of extreme violence with it appears no target in mind creates fear, fear with people becomes important things to those in charge, for if the fail to act, they know they will lose the support of the people, and when support is gone, the powerful's tenure is limited. In other words in a democratic society those in power need their voters and those who wish to elicit change know this, hence their actions. Creating fear is the ideal situation, as with fear minimal lives and munitions are lost, but the aim is fulfilled at the least cost.




Real0ne -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/29/2010 7:06:45 PM)



of course that begs the question who created the fear?

The alleged hijackers that allegedly flew planes into towers or theg uv and news media pounding the story relentlessly over and over every day saying the words terror and osma bin ladin over and freaking over up to 100 times a day they counted.

Who created the fear?  The supposed perps or the media?

Who then is the biggest terrorist?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/29/2010 7:34:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

cow tail


Language butchering of the day.




Rule -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/29/2010 7:45:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Killing people, random acts of extreme violence with it appears no target in mind creates fear,

Fear is the mind-killer, if I quote correctly from Dune by Frank Herbert.

I have been hit twice by a car, the first time resulting in a stay of nine weeks in a hospital and the second time I was crippled - but functional - for at least a month.

I fear cars specifically and people in general. I deem the chance of being hit by lightning far greater than being targeted by some terrorist nut.

Them so-called terror actions? They have no significance at all for the population at large.




Rule -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/29/2010 7:47:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin
cow tail

Language butchering of the day.

He could have said cow tale, or bull tail or bull tale. lol [;)]




Brain -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/29/2010 7:58:44 PM)



Why do so many terrorists have engineering degrees? - By Benjamin Popper - Slate Magazine

A paper (PDF) released this summer by two sociologists, Diego Gambetta and Steffen Hertog, adds empirical evidence to this observation. The pair looked at more than 400 radical Islamic terrorists from more than 30 nations in the Middle East and Africa born mostly between the 1950s and 1970s. Earlier studies had shown that terrorists tend to be wealthier and better-educated than their countrymen, but Gambetta and Hertog found that engineers, in particular, were three to four times more likely to become violent terrorists than their peers in finance, medicine or the sciences. The next most radicalizing graduate degree, in a distant second, was Islamic Studies.


What else might account for the radical, violent politics of so many former engineering students? Is there some set of traits that makes engineers more likely to participate in acts of terrorism? To answer this question, Gambetta and Hertog updated a study that was first published in 1972, when a pair of researchers named Seymour Lipset and Carl Ladd surveyed the ideological bent of their fellow American academics. According to the original paper, engineers described themselves as "strongly conservative" and "deeply religious" more often than professors in any other field. Gambetta and Hertog repeated this analysis for data gathered in 1984, so it might better match up with their terrorist sample. They found similar results, with 46 percent of the (male American) engineers describing themselves as both conservative and religious, compared with 22 percent of scientists.

Gambetta and Hertog write about a particular mind-set among engineers that disdains ambiguity and compromise. They might be more passionate about bringing order to their society and see the rigid, religious law put forward in radical Islam as the best way of achieving those goals. In online postings, Abdulmutallab expressed concern over the conflict between his secular lifestyle and more extreme religious views. "How should one put the balance right?" he wrote.

Terrorist organizations seem to have recognized this proclivity—in Abdulmutallab, obviously, but also among engineers in general. A 2005 report from British intelligence noted that Islamic extremists were frequenting college campuses, looking for "inquisitive" students who might be susceptible to their message. In particular, the report noted, they targeted engineers.


http://www.slate.com/id/2240157




Aneirin -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/29/2010 8:31:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

cow tail


Language butchering of the day.


Is that all you have to add, can't you think of anything more worthy to share than to pick at someone's turn of phrase ?

Then again, we don't need any more penis comparing competitions.




Rule -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/29/2010 9:03:27 PM)

Anyone might have miss-spelled kowtow. I do not view such a mistake as anything remotely serious. I noticed it long before wbud made his post about it, but did and do not consider it to be anything to be remarked upon. Neither do I see his remark as criticism. Superfluous, yes; criticism, no.




Vendaval -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/29/2010 10:25:42 PM)

This is all part of the package. I was thinking about this thread earlier today and will add that terrorism is a deliberate effort to destroy the existing political structure of an opponent.

(Thanks for the earlier comments, by the way)



quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Killing people, random acts of extreme violence with it appears no target in mind creates fear, fear with people becomes important things to those in charge, for if the fail to act, they know they will lose the support of the people, and when support is gone, the powerful's tenure is limited. In other words in a democratic society those in power need their voters and those who wish to elicit change know this, hence their actions. Creating fear is the ideal situation, as with fear minimal lives and munitions are lost, but the aim is fulfilled at the least cost.





Aneirin -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/30/2010 5:25:22 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

Anyone might have miss-spelled kowtow. I do not view such a mistake as anything remotely serious. I noticed it long before wbud made his post about it, but did and do not consider it to be anything to be remarked upon. Neither do I see his remark as criticism. Superfluous, yes; criticism, no.


My use of the phrase cow tail as opposed to kowtow is based upon my experience in potholing, for the safety lines we used we called cow's tails, two ot them, so one may always be clipped onto a safety wire at all times, a well remembered ritual when it came to crossing sections. The efficacy of these things proven, when just after clipping on to a new safety wire, the false floor in a 200 year old copper mine just disappeared, one moment standing on a shingle floor, the next hanging in free space with nothing but blackness and noise below, the cow's tails worked perfectly, I was still clipped onto two wires as I was making a change over from one wire to the next.

So, my phrase cow tail means safety line and that is what I see people doing when they latch onto the words of one political party or other, they are hanging on to feel safe in their beliefs. I don't, I have my own mind and I can work things out for myself.




Rule -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/30/2010 7:14:58 AM)

Okay! I appreciate the explanation! Thank you.




Aneirin -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/30/2010 8:12:44 AM)

Sorry, my explanation was not aimed at you, but the person who made jest of the phrase in the first place, It was meant to be a general reply, and post no 67 still stands.




OCDsCPL -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/31/2010 10:30:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

Okay! I appreciate the explanation! Thank you.


Too bad the explanation is total BS.




Rule -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/31/2010 12:26:13 PM)

Can you prove that the elaboration is not true?

I think that I know Aneirin. His word is good, as far as I am concerned.




rulemylife -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/31/2010 12:36:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

Anyone might have miss-spelled kowtow. I do not view such a mistake as anything remotely serious. I noticed it long before wbud made his post about it, but did and do not consider it to be anything to be remarked upon. Neither do I see his remark as criticism. Superfluous, yes; criticism, no.


Maybe you should spend a little more time noticing your own spelling errors.




Politesub53 -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/31/2010 4:36:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

Anyone might have miss-spelled kowtow.


Indeed, but how many would have misspelled misspelled. [8D]




Aneirin -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (8/31/2010 4:47:40 PM)

In this day and age of communication with all levels of literacy via the world wide web, does it really matter if spellings are not correct, will somewhere near do, as communication is the goal. If what is written can be understood despite spelling errors, does it not make one think what was the point of the correct spelling in the first place. Yes, at the time the nuances of language, but they have been lost in time.





Politesub53 -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (9/1/2010 11:26:47 AM)

I think spelling does need to be correct if possible. People strived for the right for everyone to have a basic level of knowledge, be it maths, English or science. That is too precious to casually sling away.

My remarks to Rule were pointing out the irony of his own post regards your spelling.




popeye1250 -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (9/1/2010 11:53:10 AM)

Slamming a few airliners into buildings and killing thousands of people will do it for me!




SaintIntensity -> RE: What makes a Terrorist ? (9/1/2010 12:05:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Slamming a few airliners into buildings and killing thousands of people will do it for me!


Sorry- "political crime" - using American precedent
Not terrorism, oh no no no




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