Aswad
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
You made a comment in another thread about Nazi victims of terrorism in your country while they occupied it. Which is of course impossible, and just another attempt at Islamapologia
I cannot remember the thread offhand. My mind is a bit dulled by anti-seizure meds, and a small tumor is playing funny games with my memory and concentration, so I tend to lose track of threads whenever my browser crashes. Which is, sadly, quite frequent with about a dozen open windows and a dozen tabs in each window.
As for the Nazi occupation of Norway, we did employ terrorist tactics quite extensively against the Nazi forces:
The Nazi-appointed chief of police was liquidated in the capital city, as were several Nazi soldiers around the country. A bridge was blown out ahead of a train. Several ships were sunk with limpet mines. Some buildings and factories were blown up. Various ships were also attacked at sea by civilians. And so forth. The incident of greatest magnitude is not conclusively known to have been caused by the resistance, but if it was, as I've heard it told, you can add 98 civilians killed, 50 Germans killed, 4800 injured, including 320 eye injuries, several buildings collapsed, multiple ships torn to shreds, a harbor destroyed, and about a million pounds of glass shrapnel flung about a mile from the site. If we credit the insurgents with that, it still wasn't the only incident where civilians were killed, though: for instance, a shipload of jews bound for the concentration camps was sunk to get rid of the ship.
This is not counting actions in regions during the time when parts of the country rejected the occupation at a government level, which is questionable under the then-valid Haag conventions, but would probably fly in the absence of a German victory in the main war further south. The main activities, however, were clearly in violation of the Haag convention on warfare, with others merely being very far into the grey area of the convention. In any case, both Nazi Germany, and later West Germany, were pretty clear that this was considered terrorism, and international law would pretty much support that conclusion. Personally, I think we were too worried about reprisals when we should have made every day a nightmare, but I wasn't alive then, so I'm not in a position to judge those who were.
When Nazi Germany is occupying Norway, the terrorist activities of the insurgents are remembered favorably and celebrated annualy, or glorified in movies, and taught in schools as an important high point in our history. When it suited Roosevelt or Churchill, this was all good. On the other hand, when the USA is occupying Afghanistan or Iraq, the terrorist activities of the insurgents are just terrorism, and somehow attributable to their religion.
I can say with a significant degree of confidence that religion is not the only thing causing violent action in those countries, and would hazard a guess that it's not even the main factor. You may be living on an island which is isolated from anyone who might want to be the occupant du jour. The rest of us are not. And some of us will set aside any disagreements we might have among ourselves to cast out anyone else who wants to occupy our land, in order to retain our sovereignty. And once the occupant is out, we'll get back to our own squabbling.
I figure that's the case in Afghanistan, given the fact that the Taliban was the only source of stability they had seen for over a decade of being lorded over by disparate and fickle warlords, which the USA has now taken away with nothing to replace it. I would also think the majority in Iraq would like the USA to get lost so they can get on with instituting the religious laws that Saddam so violently held back, and the ethnic cleansing which he so violently suppressed, and then get on with their own affairs in their own land.
Terrorism is a word used to describe the only options left to the underdog when the underdog is scorned.
Resistance is the corresponding word to be used when the underdog is approved.
And Islam is simply a convenient label for The Enemy...
... and anyone who sympathizes with them.
YMMV.
That concludes the section containing my commentary on similarities with the Nazi occupation and acts of terrorism committed by my fellow citizens during said occupation, as it was written, per your request.
Live well.
< Message edited by Aswad -- 8/28/2010 1:44:44 AM >
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