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MsIncognito -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 8:22:56 AM)

Agreed. While there's a certain appeal to motorcycles (for me) I don't think it has anything to do with Dominance but rather the sense of freedom I have on a bike. My favourite kind of Dom is one who drives a Jag, but that's just me.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I've never owned a motorcycle.  Never even been on one.  I don't think there is much to this relationship.  A lot of bikers act dominant because they'll get their asses kicked if they appear weak.  That's not the same thing as being a born dom.



mistoferin -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 8:47:50 AM)

Great topic twicehappy...and one that has finally coaxed me to sit at this computer and give a response despite how crappy I've been feeling.

I have read all of the responses and found them to be interesting. I think though, that you and I come from a different perspective than most responders. The biker community has changed drastically over the years....although I must say that aside from lifestyle functions, it is still the place that I feel most free to just be me.

Years ago, owning a Harley meant something much different than it seems to mean today. It meant that you were the kind of person who thought outside the box and dared to be different. Today, it has become a status symbol...a symbol of success or wealth. Not saying anything is wrong with the huge influx of "preppie" types gravitating towards Harley ownership....just saying it is not the way it used to be and that along with that change, the motorcycle community as a whole has undergone some serious changing as a result of it.

It's kind of like the whole debate I have seen recently on whether or not this lifestyle has changed over the years. Now, I know that it's not popular opinion....but it has, just as the motorcycle lifestyle has....just as life in general has. I also know that there will be a whole lot of people who are newer to either lifestyle or those in their twenties that will stand up to say I am wrong...but with all due respect, the time period I am referring to....well....to be frank, you were still shitting in your diapers so I find it difficult to understand how you come to your perspective or to accept how you can so matter of factly say I am offbase.

I grew up on the back of a bike. My dad rode and every man that I have ever called Master has rode. Quite frankly, I don't know that I would ever have enough in common with a man who didn't ride to ever be in that depth of relationship with him. I spent my formative years in 1% clubhouses...and much of my life still is spent that way. I have been VERY PROUDLY the Ol' Lady of a chosen few.....and you're right twicehappy....if I have to explain that....well then they just wouldn't understand.

The biker lifestyle that I grew up in was a mirror image in many ways to the BDSM lifestyle. Women ARE property....and damn proud and happy to be. Women do have their place....and damn sure know where that place is. Bikers ARE kinky....WooHoo!!! Bikers do have a brotherhood....there are rules, there are values, there are principles....and the ones I have chosen to associate with in my life stand strong on those principles.

You are blessed twicehappy. You have two of the finest Masters....and two of the finest bikers that I know. I have had the great pleasure of riding behind ScooterTrash (sorry once again about that mess on the seat <weg>). I have had the great pleasure of attending both lifestyle and motorcycle functions with them.....and hopefully will continue to do so for many years to come. You've got it right girl...there is a correlation between the two lifestyles...at least in the context which you and I have lived them....but you already knew that didn't ya? And to those who haven't lived them in that way....all of the 'splainin in the world aint gonna enlighten them.



Dscople -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 9:34:01 AM)

Wither Harleys or not, A sub taking a ride behind relinquishes all control to the Dominant. Think about it, The passenger has so little control, and has to surrender to the Dominant/Driver to keep them both safe and decide where the line is from thrill and crazy. I personally believe that a Motorcycle is a very big power trip, but with a new passenger, a over the top thrill ride that scares the piss out of your passenger does more to not get her on the back with you again. The Dominant has to build up to that. But the denim and lace, Leather and wind in your face does more to make them wet than any other vehicle I jnow can with out the Dominant/Driver doing anything other than reaching back every once in a while to rub her thigh very firmly once in a while and draw her very close up aginst you.

Doc



Riff -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 9:40:00 AM)

I'm a lifestyle bike of many years.

I don't (nor do I intend to) own a Harley. I'm not quite sure why it has to be a "Harley" either... my Triumph does the job perfectly. It's not about dominance, nor submission... it's about enjoying the ride. Sure, there's a lot of bikers into Ds and vice versa but that's probably more to do with the fact that the two lifestyles speak to the individuality of those who are attracted to them because they don't follow the crowd.


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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

I am curious about something. A large number of the Doms i know are also Bikers, or at least own a Harley and enjoy both the brotherhood and lifestyle associated with those who ride. How many of you Doms/Dommes own a Harley or a comparable (not foreign) motorcycle? How much of being a biker do you think relates to your dominant side? Or vice versa?



Phoenixandnika -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 11:31:28 AM)

M.L.
 
You look good in leather regardless of your reasons!
 
Nika{Phoenix}



SweetEscravo -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 11:33:29 AM)

I honestly don't think there is that much of a correlation between the two.  Its probably more a situation of some people who ride them are into it, some aren't, just like most things.  We might wear similar clothes or act similar, but the bikers I've known were all just nice guys- definitly no bdsm there.



Phoenixandnika -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 11:45:20 AM)

erin,
 
In my opinion the ones who have lived around bikers or clubs know them. Understand them. Others like anything else make judgements.
 
I remember the first time guy who called me his old lady from my uncles club. I look at our relationship then I look at the relationship I have with Phoenix. The dynamics are almost exact.
 
I also remember a long running joke with my uncle and a couple of the guys that me and one of the other women would wake up one morning with a tattoo of property off across our asses because certain people where so possessive of the fact that we where theirs.
 
 Ironiclly when I told my uncle I was taking a collar and calling a man Master he looked at me and said " I didn't raise you to be a weak woman" I had to laugh. I told him no but you did raise to think of a strong man in a certain light. I asked him to look at how he treats his old ladies, how others treated their old ladies and asked him how that is any different from what I was telling him. He said well I guess it is my fault then. He then said well I guess one day you may just wake up with the property of so and so on your ass.
 
Nika{Phoenix}




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 3:46:50 PM)

I think it's just a normal crossover thing.  I think you find the same ratio to kinksters and science fiction geeks and kinksters and renn faire lovers.

We've got the leisure time and intelligence and resources that let us get involved in an alt culture.  Crossover between alt cultures is bound to occur.



ScooterTrash -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 4:49:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dscople

Wither Harleys or not, A sub taking a ride behind relinquishes all control to the Dominant. Think about it, The passenger has so little control, and has to surrender to the Dominant/Driver to keep them both safe and decide where the line is from thrill and crazy.....
Doc

I hadn't really thought about it from that perspective but that is so true. The rider & passenger roles are not dissimilar to the trust that a sub/slave/bottom has to have for the Dominant/Master/Top during a scene. Similar also is the mutual trust that is needed, such as the trust of the driver must have that his passenger won't do something wrong, jeapardizing control of the bike. Nice analogy.



topcat -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 6:24:28 PM)

Midear Nika-
 
Thanks<g>.
 
My regards to your M.-
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence



mixielicous -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/22/2006 7:14:20 PM)

being new, i have only had one experiences with bikers - and what i presume they knew to be the lifestyle

the other day i took my first walk into town with my new collar. it was warm out and i had a tube top dress-like top on, baring my neck. three bikers passed me, and just stared me down like they *knew* what i was. - and no it wasnt being checked out, [not to be vain, i have experienced this multiple times] and its usually a quick glance.

mm ramble sorry



twicehappy -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/23/2006 4:56:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mixielicous

the other day i took my first walk into town with my new collar. it was warm out and i had a tube top dress-like top on, baring my neck. three bikers passed me, and just stared me down like they *knew* what i was. - and no it wasnt being checked out, mm ramble sorry



That is not at all surprising; yes they probably were well aware what your collar meant. And as you noted were respectful of it.

To be a biker one generally needs to be a bit more open minded about life. It is not uncommon even to this day to see women proudly showing their "property of" tattoos or being walked on leashes. When i was younger you often saw rows of bikes with the old ladies chained to them sitting on the curb drinking beer and having their own fun, prominently on display while also guarding the Harleys (think i still have a few pics). Bikers love women, especially leather clad or nude ones, nudity has always been and still is welcomed at most bike events. "Show me your tits" is something you will hear so often at some of these events it sounds like a chorus in a rock song where the music is supplied by the thrum of a hawg. Luckily for these two wheel riding cavemen most girls are happy to oblige while the old men whose old ladies are asked just grin thinking," go ahead look all you want, after all, that is MINE".



LaTigresse -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/23/2006 6:00:07 AM)

So THATS why I refuse to ever be a passenger on a motorcycle!!!!!!!!!! Great analogy!



subrob1967 -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/23/2006 6:14:34 AM)

I for one don't get the mystique of a Harley, I find them to be overly loud, gaudy, and compared to my BMW very uncomfortable to ride, with a few exceptions.

My first bike was a Goldwing, and my second a Dynaglide. I'd rather wish I kept the Goldwing over the Harley, and the day I sold the Dyna for my BMW was one of the happiest days of my life.

I've been around bikes all of my life, and learned to ride on my Dad's Indian, so my opinion may not be the norm, but it's not an uninformed opinion.



NINASHARP -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/23/2006 6:20:03 AM)

Hello there,

I'm all for doing anything that gives me a chance to get dressed in all leather attire. I've actually dommed from the back of my slave's  bike.  It was fun.  Think about it, he doesn't want to loose control of that bike any more than you want him to, so his hands have to remain on the bars, and I can do what ever I like with mine.  Of course too much distraction and we just pull over.  I've known several Master's with bikes, I never made a correlation to it. It is a powerful experience, no matter what side of the saddle you are on.

Until then,

Mistress NINA



unownedredhead -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/23/2006 7:22:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferinGreat topic twicehappy...and one that has finally coaxed me to sit at this computer and give a response despite how crappy I've been feeling.
I have read all of the responses and found them to be interesting. I think though, that you and I come from a different perspective than most responders. The biker community has changed drastically over the years....although I must say that aside from lifestyle functions, it is still the place that I feel most free to just be me.
Years ago, owning a Harley meant something much different than it seems to mean today. It meant that you were the kind of person who thought outside the box and dared to be different. Today, it has become a status symbol...a symbol of success or wealth. Not saying anything is wrong with the huge influx of "preppie" types gravitating towards Harley ownership....just saying it is not the way it used to be and that along with that change, the motorcycle community as a whole has undergone some serious changing as a result of it.
It's kind of like the whole debate I have seen recently on whether or not this lifestyle has changed over the years. Now, I know that it's not popular opinion....but it has, just as the motorcycle lifestyle has....just as life in general has. I also know that there will be a whole lot of people who are newer to either lifestyle or those in their twenties that will stand up to say I am wrong...but with all due respect, the time period I am referring to....well....to be frank, you were still shitting in your diapers so I find it difficult to understand how you come to your perspective or to accept how you can so matter of factly say I am offbase. I grew up on the back of a bike. My dad rode and every man that I have ever called Master has rode. Quite frankly, I don't know that I would ever have enough in common with a man who didn't ride to ever be in that depth of relationship with him. I spent my formative years in 1% clubhouses...and much of my life still is spent that way. I have been VERY PROUDLY the Ol' Lady of a chosen few.....and you're right twicehappy....if I have to explain that....well then they just wouldn't understand.
The biker lifestyle that I grew up in was a mirror image in many ways to the BDSM lifestyle. Women ARE property....and damn proud and happy to be. Women do have their place....and damn sure know where that place is. Bikers ARE kinky....WooHoo!!! Bikers do have a brotherhood....there are rules, there are values, there are principles....and the ones I have chosen to associate with in my life stand strong on those principles.
You are blessed twicehappy. You have two of the finest Masters....and two of the finest bikers that I know. I have had the great pleasure of riding behind ScooterTrash (sorry once again about that mess on the seat <weg>). I have had the great pleasure of attending both lifestyle and motorcycle functions with them.....and hopefully will continue to do so for many years to come. You've got it right girl...there is a correlation between the two lifestyles...at least in the context which you and I have lived them....but you already knew that didn't ya? And to those who haven't lived them in that way....all of the 'splainin in the world aint gonna enlighten them.


Girl, I am sitting here with tears streaming down my face.  My grandfather rode, my dad rode, my brothers rode, and my husband rode.  There is a code and understanding, a brotherhood.  I have not heard a ride pull up in front of my homestead in 14 years.  I have tried to find the same kind of man...with the same kind of values and principles......I have not found him.   I miss them so much.  I know who I am....they knew who I am...they raised me.  It is nice to know I am not alone with these feeling of knowing what it was like to be protected and owned.  It is scary our here by myself.  I miss the smell of leather and sweat and gunpowder.  To rest my head before I die between the shoulders of a leather clad honerable man is for what I pray.   If even for a moment, the heady smell and soft leather against my cheek.  It would bring me peace if only for a moment. The strength to swing my leg off that seat and go on.  That rumble coming down the street to make me eagerly run for the door is more happines than I can imagine.  Once owned completely nothing  but that is enough. 



Saratov -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/23/2006 7:52:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy


I personally have been an AMA registered off road racer since the age of 12. At 44 i still am. I am a C class hare scrambler and flat tracker, an A class ice racer, and certified motorcycle safety instructor. ...

...Oh yes, i am also a submissive female(ok i could not resist that, most people hear motorcycle racer and think guy not girl).


ICE racer!?!  Long sharp spikes sticking out of the tires!!
Woman you Are nuts!!  Getting run over by/hit wheels first by one of those would HURT, and not in a good way.



twicehappy -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/23/2006 8:20:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Saratov

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy


I personally have been an AMA registered off road racer since the age of 12. At 44 i still am. I am a C class hare scrambler and flat tracker, an A class ice racer, and certified motorcycle safety instructor. ...
...Oh yes, i am also a submissive female(ok i could not resist that, most people hear motorcycle racer and think guy not girl).


ICE racer!?!  Long sharp spikes sticking out of the tires!!
Woman you Are nuts!!  Getting run over by/hit wheels first by one of those would HURT, and not in a good way.

[image]http://www.bctra.com/images2/Ice%20racing2005/DSC00664.JPG[/image]

You mean like this? Nuts? This is an absolute blast. Yes i do run spiked tires, you have to. I run about 800 on the front tire and 600 or so on the rear. Run over, well you just have pay attention(being faster than the guys you are racing with helps too).



twicehappy -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/23/2006 8:39:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: unownedredhead

 To rest my head before I die between the shoulders of a leather clad honerable man is for what I pray.   If even for a moment, the heady smell and soft leather against my cheek.  It would bring me peace if only for a moment. The strength to swing my leg off that seat and go on.  That rumble coming down the street to make me eagerly run for the door is more happines than I can imagine.  Once owned completely nothing  but that is enough. 


Now i am tearin' up. Keep looking, Two times in my life i bore that "property of", i buried the 1st one before he saw our second child, after 18 years i buried the 2nd. I thought i would die of a broken heart, i would settle for nothing less but that leather clad night on an iron horse either. I bore that tattoo for 6 years after his passing as it was all i had left of what was.

Talking to a prospective Master i was asked "what will it take to heal you" and my reply damn near recited word for word what you wrote, my reply was " the smell of leather, of 50 weight, of sweat, the wind in my face, a gentle hand in my hair as i knelt at the feet of the one i was owned by, the thrum of a Harley".

Lo and behold this man waved his magic wand and said "granted". The man was ScooterTrash, i also gained his wife, ShiftedJewel, for my Mistress, who held my hand while i cried the day i had an appointment to cover up that long held tattoo.

There is a collar on my neck, a tattoo in the planning, leathers on the coat hooks, Harleys in the garage, an S&S carb on the kitchen counter and 50 weight under my nails.

I am twicehappy and twice blessed, the Harley gods cared for a long time devotee. So never surrender hope, keep looking, yours is out there too.






MrRodgers -> RE: Dominance and Harleys ? (4/23/2006 8:55:26 AM)

Been down twice...will never mount or ride again. I still feel it in my bones...simply not enough protection for me anymore and with all the traffic around and 90% cars with A-holes behind the wheel that could wipe me out. Maybe when I retire way way out in the country in the dirt etc. Harleys are a particular gendre particulary with that old motor with that distinct sound...great for an old motorhead from Detroit. Oh...I think a Harvard study among others confirmed that there simply is no correlation between any motorcycles and dominance...now liability insurance is a different dynamic alltogether and very possibly, either way..



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