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Hippiekinkster -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 12:05:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Barbara Strozzi
What little is known about Barbara Strozzi (also known as Barbara Valle) suffices to make her an extremely intriguing figure. Perhaps the most outstanding female composer of the seventeenth century, Strozzi studied under respected musicians and published eight collections of her music. Music, however, was possibly not her only means of support as several sources indicate she may have been a courtesan as well.


One of my favorite films, "Dangerous Beauty," with Catherine McCormack, is about a Courtesan in late 1500s (IIRC) Venice, who kicks the asses of all the pretenders to the throne of Poet. Adapted from the non-fiction book The Honest Courtesan, I believe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Beauty

I encountered this film during one of my "Period Film" periods, a few years back.




TwistedHeart74 -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 12:54:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Saykiatric

"Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein . . . Women want total freedom or rather - to call things by their names - total licence. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters . . .
Cato the Elder 234–149 B.C., quoted in Livy’s History of Rome. The best couturiers, hairdressers, home designers and cooks are men. I suspect that, were it biologically possible, men would make better mothers.
Ida Alexa Ross Wylie, The Little Woman 1945. If we had more feminine women there would be less unemployment, divorce, delinquency and other evils.
Isabelle Stayt (of the Campaign for the Feminine Woman) 1983. There are no woman composers, never have been, and possibly never will be.
Sir Thomas Beecham 1879-1961 Women do not find it difficult nowadays to behave like men; but they often find it extremely difficult to behave like gentlemen.
Sir Compton Mackenzie 1883-1972, On Moral Courage. I love men, not because they are men but because they are not women.
Queen Christiana (of Sweden) 1626-89. "



Wow...just...wow...




Zevar -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 1:09:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Saykiatric

"Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein . . . Women want total freedom or rather - to call things by their names - total licence. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters . . .
Cato the Elder 234–149 B.C., quoted in Livy’s History of Rome. The best couturiers, hairdressers, home designers and cooks are men. I suspect that, were it biologically possible, men would make better mothers.
Ida Alexa Ross Wylie, The Little Woman 1945. If we had more feminine women there would be less unemployment, divorce, delinquency and other evils.
Isabelle Stayt (of the Campaign for the Feminine Woman) 1983. There are no woman composers, never have been, and possibly never will be.
Sir Thomas Beecham 1879-1961 Women do not find it difficult nowadays to behave like men; but they often find it extremely difficult to behave like gentlemen.
Sir Compton Mackenzie 1883-1972, On Moral Courage. I love men, not because they are men but because they are not women.
Queen Christiana (of Sweden) 1626-89. "


Are you implying that you are teaching us lower minded beings just how to defer one to another when related to gender OR did I miss something?




tazzygirl -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 1:15:03 AM)

“The difference between a truly dominant
man and a controlling one is that the dominant
man needs and wants consent, whereas the
controlling man doesn't even understand
what this word means.”
- Frank Nelson

Says it all. [:D]




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 7:34:20 AM)

Hippiekinkster,

I did see Dangerous Beauty, and really enjoyed it. When I was collared to a poly-household, it was on the House Syllabus as required viewing, along with several books on Courtessans (among lots of other things.) Memoirs of a Geisha was one of my favorite books, and I keep meaning to get around to seeing the movie just to see if it follows the book closely. I hadn't really thought of Dangerous Beauty, when I posted that about the female composer, but now I can't see how I missed it! [:)]




sexyred1 -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 7:46:03 AM)

Interesting views OP, but not quite as annoying as the Monogamy Agonistes thread....he uses far more big words.





WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 7:58:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Interesting views OP, but not quite as annoying as the Monogamy Agonistes thread....he uses far more big words.




LOL! Don't you just hate a lazy and incompetent antagonist?




SorceressJ -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 8:25:25 AM)

In My thoughtful spot, looking for clues as to why men are this foolish. Film at 11..




AquaticSub -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 8:27:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Wow!  A quote from 350 years ago to try to make a point.

Hold on.  Let Me go dig up a statement from a few centuries back about how the world is flat and the center of the universe.



I don't know if I've told you lately but... I <3 you.




OohAahMrs -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 8:36:20 AM)

You could be right, yet my Mistress won't let me say so!




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 9:11:41 AM)

I can kill somebody with a sword.

Just saying.




SorceressJ -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 9:17:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I can kill somebody with a sword.

Just saying.


Me too. I can also correctly and safely fire a gun, use most power tools, and since I am uncluttered by warlike testosterone posioning, I betchoo I could run a democracy too - but the male-types, thinking they run the joint and all, have come so close to completely ruining everything in their (sic) superiority and wisdom that I wouldn't take the job as a door prize. I prefer to run My shit from the sidelines; it's surreptitious and much more effective that way..
Just sayin'.. [;)]




flcouple2009 -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 10:16:12 AM)

Wow is all I can say.  How can what are supposed to be intelligent women let a troll yank your chains so that this topic just keeps getting longer and longer.

Why feed the troll?  Just not respond and let the thread die down into the depths.

We get email from the fool this morning laughing and having a merry old time that he has pulled you all into this. 

It's a joke and he's a troll.  Why keep feeding him?




stef -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 10:26:23 AM)

Perhaps they're just having fun playing Whack-A-Troll?  Surely you have better things to worry about?

~stef




Icarys -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 10:35:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

Perhaps they're just having fun playing Whack-A-Troll?  Surely you have better things to worry about?

~stef


Evidently you and them don't.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 10:42:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

Perhaps they're just having fun playing Whack-A-Troll?  Surely you have better things to worry about?

~stef



How exactly are you whacking someone who is getting his enjoyment from the responses?

The biggest whack to the troll would be not responding.

And no, for another 20 minutes I have nothing better to do. 




stef -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 10:52:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

How exactly are you whacking someone who is getting his enjoyment from the responses?

The biggest whack to the troll would be not responding.

Others clearly disagree.  Such is life.

~stef




Saykiatric -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 11:01:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sweetsub1957

~FR~
The OP is one big fat ass load of incredibly misogynistic crap.
~sweetsub~

Did my post make me look fat really? I am deeply concerned it prompted you to violate TOS and insult me..




flcouple2009 -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 11:01:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

How exactly are you whacking someone who is getting his enjoyment from the responses?

The biggest whack to the troll would be not responding.

Others clearly disagree.  Such is life.

~stef



I got it.

What your saying is that it's a symbiotic relationship.  He gets his jollies from watching the responses and you get yours from pretending he is serious and whacking him.  It makes both of you feel better and distracts from whatever personal problems you have going on.








Icarys -> RE: Women are born/built by design to be submissive and have to be taught to be any other way. (8/29/2010 11:05:25 AM)

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What your saying is that it's a symbiotic relationship. He gets his jollies from watching the responses and you get yours from pretending he is serious and whacking him. It makes both of you feel better and distracts from whatever personal problems you have going on.

This but mostly this.




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