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RE: RIP Ingrid Bellemare - 8/31/2010 2:29:36 PM

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She raises the following pertinent questions.

I wonder if she ever thought about balance?

I wonder if she ever had doubts as she struck those last few blows?

Through some unique mix of destiny, psychology, and anatomy Ingrid took this role as far as anyone could. It isn't the rules, or even Ingrid that we should be questioning, but whether slavery itself is enough.

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RE: RIP Ingrid Bellemare - 8/31/2010 4:35:21 PM

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My question is, how can you CUCKOLD someone who is your property? With whom you do not have a RELATIONSHIP? If your slave is an IT, IT has no say or motivation to be cuckolded or not. As the Owner, you would seek your pleasures as you see fit.

I wonder if she did feel any need for balance, and if she had non-owner relationships with men, or only with women.

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RE: RIP Ingrid Bellemare - 8/31/2010 6:31:38 PM

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Through some unique mix of destiny, psychology, and anatomy Ingrid took this role as far as anyone could. It isn't the rules, or even Ingrid that we should be questioning, but whether slavery itself is enough.

Unless, of course, I don't buy into the hypothesis that "she took this role as far as anyone could". She clearly went pretty far down SOME path. But it's also pretty clearly true that whatever path that was, it bears absolutely no resemblance to any path I'd ever set my foot upon.

ETA: And I agree with LadyHibiscus's question... how exactly do you cuckold property? Carol is not allowed this concept and one might reasonably argue that she got a bait-and-switch.

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RE: RIP Ingrid Bellemare - 8/31/2010 8:12:22 PM

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My question is, how can you CUCKOLD someone who is your property? With whom you do not have a RELATIONSHIP? If your slave is an IT, IT has no say or motivation to be cuckolded or not. As the Owner, you would seek your pleasures as you see fit.

I wonder if she did feel any need for balance, and if she had non-owner relationships with men, or only with women.

Well, first off, she was not married. Second off, although blogging about this, she was not blogging about herself. Its just kind of a coincidence that the slave got ill and she was blogging about cucking.

To answer your question; lets suppose she never saw any other men for a ten year period, so that her M/S relationship was her only one -- if she did start to date other men after this point, then the slave is going to feel *something* akin to being cuckholded.

On balance she comes across as more a frigid, "bitch goddess" domme than as a maternal, sensual one. The salon obit writer touched on this divide, ergo her questions of balance and connection v. power exchange, rules, and rigidity.

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ETA: And I agree with LadyHibiscus's question... how exactly do you cuckold property? Carol is not allowed this concept and one might reasonably argue that she got a bait-and-switch.

See above.

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RE: RIP Ingrid Bellemare - 8/31/2010 10:25:19 PM

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I went about this the wrong way.

If you look at the this post by NuevaVida on the highly relevant Emotional sadism thread, you'll see the similarities.

My opinion is: just because it's a man, doesn't mean he can't be abused. Just because someone gives consent, doesn't mean they can't be abused.

I actually described more creative ways to screw with someone in that thread, but the difference is, I'm not out to wreck someone - male or female.

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This kind of play can be dangerous if you aren't dealing with a person who has good general self-esteem and you don't reinforce the positives properly.

I was informed that Dommes get requests for this type of treatment and I'm not remotely affected by this, but it doesn't really add up.

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RE: RIP Ingrid Bellemare - 8/31/2010 10:41:35 PM

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While not really technically correct, I can see how cuckholding can produce a similar result in an Owner/property dynamic. The specific facet of humiliation springs to mind, if you wanted to use that angel. Play on the aspect of inadequacy, and so on. Removing a person's power over the situation doesn't necessarily remove any feeling or emotion that they may have. Jealousy may not be permitted from your property, but there's still a whole bag of psychological tricks at your disposal. You don't really have to have a 'loving relationship' type dynamic for their not to be a bond. More often than not, a dependent one at that because the Owner tends to be on something of a pedistal anyway if you're dealing with and individual who wants to be in a state of low self worth. Try telling someone who lives to serve you that their service (in the cuckholding case, sexual service) isn't good enough or that you prefer to be serviced by someone else. I'm willing to bet that it would produce at least an inner twinge of a reaction.

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RE: RIP Ingrid Bellemare - 9/1/2010 1:42:43 PM

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I would not argue your point. I can't make these calls from arms length regarding others' relationships and choices.

A simpler answer for me is that an "all encompassing" slave relationship would get old and might be a little too much narrowing of the soul. The counter argument would be that anything but total slavery was devolving.

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