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MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 6:05:56 AM

Unameme

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Mental Bondage,
im not sure what it is really ?
If i was to guess its being restrained without fetters.
But what does that mean ?
Is it obeying a Domme/ Dom's command like not leaving the house,
or not doing certain bodily functions on one's own ?
is it being put in a corner ? and staying there ?
i would really like to know about this,
Anyone care / would explain this .
Thanks in advance , Sincerely Unameme.

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 6:12:05 AM

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its a very real seduction of your will

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 6:26:47 AM

Unameme

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So subjected , you say a very real seduction of your will,
as compared to the submissive / slave who is willingly gives their will
from the begining of a D/s relationship ?
,
it is a person, not necessarilly a submissive
who finds themselves
giving thier will to another without conscious thought ?
But initially and continually controlled
by a Domme / Dom who consciously
is seducing the person / submissive ?

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 6:33:22 AM

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I've always thought of mental bondage to mean not using physical restraints of any kind, but I know that's only one aspect of it.

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 6:53:04 AM

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Mental bondage for my Lord is him simply telling me "Don't move!!" The only thing keeping me there is my desire to obey. Of course, then he goes about doing all kinds of lovely painful things to inspire me to move.

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 7:35:28 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
Mental bondage for my Lord is him simply telling me "Don't move!!" The only thing keeping me there is my desire to obey. Of course, then he goes about doing all kinds of lovely painful things to inspire me to move.

See.. now that is what I see as the typical definition of mental bondage. The submissive having to focus very deeply on keeping themselves perfectly still, in one position, just as if the cuffs and ropes were holding them. The imagination becoming the ropes that are binding them... and then adding pleasurable pain and seeing them force there arms to stay outstretched as though bound, wrists turning, hands making fists then unclenching again.... pretty to see!

I think there is also another form of mental bondage. ie. controlling someone breaking them down through mental conditioning and torture/brain washing them into into helpless submission. However, I don't think that is what is being talked about here.

Steven--

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 9:07:12 AM

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I equate "mental domination" with the concept of "internal slavery"' (which doesn't to me mean that only self-identified slaves can engage in it, but rather maybe it's a matter of the degree to which they find themslvles engaging in it if they are in an M/s (vs. a D/s) relationship.

I equate 'internal slavery' with being so enthralled with someone else you'd do 'anything' they asked. You trust them implicitly and want to obey them.

Maybe this is all "hair-splitting" but it's not meant to be (it's just me talking to myself out loud - again).

I see mental domination as a keystone of D/s and moreso for M/s relationships because if you're not "mentally dominated" by someone (or want to mentally dominate another) why be involved in a D/s or M/s scenario or relationship?

Hopefully, people would know eachother well enough (or be able to surmise via communicating with eachother) to be able to venture an educated guess re: What 'anything' might mean in terms of at least broad expectations for behavior (if not completely for every last activity they might ever engage in).

Personally, I see myself as a relative "newbie" and when I decide to seek, would be seeking someone who maybe wasn't "just like me" in terms of bdsm experience (they'd need to have more) since I certainly don't know much about some areas I am curious about.

*I just hopped over here from a thread on Initial Negotiations" in the "Ask a Master" forum, and concluded it takes asking sometimes many questions (or surmising very well if you're only going to ask a few) just what someone's underlying philosophy about what being a Dom/Domme or Master/Mistress means to someone else, and them finding out what being a slave or submissive means to you.

Is "Mental Domination" equal to "love"? Up to the two people involved (I think) to decide if that's what it means and-or what they need. I tend to think it is. If nothing else it can sometimes (I think) spark that process.

"Definitions" (another relatively active thread right now) are (I think) open to interpretation based on people's subjective life experience and expectations, and for me, I think it might pay to take heed of another's "definiton of terms" before a ship sets sail for the great blue yonder...but that speaks to my own situation (and again, I just got done reading the "Initial Negotiations" thread, so forgive me if I've digressed or confused. There are of course threads on the Ask a Master forum that could apply to situations involving Mistresses and Dommes as well).

- susanofO

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 9:23:31 AM

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Pgqosk's use of the phrase is the one I am most familiar with and use. Using commands to control the body instead of physical tools.

As much as I truly adore cuffs, tethers, blindfolds, rope, etc. for the mental state they can put me or my sub into it there is also a different loveliness from having one's word (or that of my top/dom) do the same, demonstrating the sub's will to please by following it.

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 9:35:56 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: subjected2006

its a very real seduction of your will

I appreciate the examples of mental domination playing out in active terms people are giving, and like this definition very much.

To me, if it's total, it's feeling like I am "melting" when someone else says (or implies) they want something from me (could be cooking food, giving a massage, could be a specific bdsm activity, could be many things).

Ideally, if it's total, it's already established (so maybe doesn't have to be spoken) that I am so enthralled there's no question left I'll do my best to give them that (regardless of whether a request is always "easy" for me or not).

To me (for now) I know becoming "attracted" is easier than becoming "enthralled" (I see "enthralled as "deeper" and sparking "deeper devotion").
And, becoming and-or staying "enthralled" basically (to me) depends on an ongoing communication process between two people.

Sidenote: I state in my profile I identify slavery as an aspiriation. When I seek, whether I'd eventually be seen as a slave would depend on the Master in question and their needs.

-susanofO

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 9:39:54 AM

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I see it as being told not to move and still doing it although there is really nothing other then your Dom/mes word keeping you there. Sir does not tie me for punishment because he wants me to be willing to take it.

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 10:57:02 AM

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Actually I think mental bondage is a compilation of physical,mental and the emotional..all stemming from one source ..the Dominant...ie: MENTAL-a kind of mindset whereas the submissive is in the thinking mode of what will my Master wishes be?...EMOTIONAL-I love and wish to please my Master more..PHYSICAL-..whereas Master says "dont move" .....all I feel can be considered bondage..be well..Tempting

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 11:09:48 AM

slavejali

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Mental bondage to me is having my thoughts always turning and referring to Master even when He is at work.
Like has been said here already it can also play out in fun and games like being told not to move.

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 11:24:32 AM

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Mental bondage is as vast and varying as the mind itself, and the individuals that conceive with it. Depends on the perception, conception, and translation......

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 11:43:23 AM

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*Chuckles* an ironic time to put it in but, mental bondage can be whatever you think it is.
For some its an internal slavery, for some it's the vivid desire to absolutely obey without the force of the physical.
All definitions will change, but to some level we all participate in it, why? Because the mind is the body's biggest sexual organ.. it has to be mental somewhere

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 12:43:43 PM

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For me, it simply means that my mind is fettered by his ability to take my power. It's why I can't just up and leave. It manifests in the mundane where I am drawn to choose items from the store which I know he enjoys, picking out the best apples, the unblemished bananas. It manifests in unconscious choices to serve him first, serve him best without verbal instruction. Anticipation of his needs/wants and filling those needs/wants before he's voiced any sort of desire for them. Behaving as he would expect a piece of his property to behave in any given situation. For me, it's not about the play or the verbal commands of 'stop' 'cum' 'turn over' or any of that.. mental for me means the verbal is unneeded.

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 2:48:25 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Unameme
Mental Bondage. Im not sure what it is, really.
If I was to guess it's being restrained without fetters, but what does that mean ?

Mental bondage employs a wide pool of psychological implements and tactics, operating ultimately to mold the mind of a submissive creature to another's will. It involves loosely the following components:

a.) Seduction and influence
b.) Empathetic bonding
c.) Implantation and Classical Conditioning
d.) Fostering dependency & transparency
e.) Internalization and reprogramming
f.) Continued reinforcement

In short, it is the process of stripping the mind naked, and using that nakedness to forge a leash stronger than any chain.

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 3:07:26 PM

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Damn.

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 3:14:33 PM

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Well, you need a hood with an O-ring or a D-ring. You put the slave's head in the hood, and then tie the hood to a tether with the O-ring. Presto, mental bondage.

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ORIGINAL: Unameme

Mental Bondage,
im not sure what it is really ?

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 3:18:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: amayos

Mental bondage employs a wide pool of psychological implements and tactics, operating ultimately to mold the mind of a submissive creature to another's will. It involves loosely the following components:

a.) Seduction and influence
b.) Empathetic bonding
c.) Implantation and Classical Conditioning
d.) Fostering dependency & transparency
e.) Internalization and reprogramming
f.) Continued reinforcement

In short, it is the process of stripping the mind naked, and using that nakedness to forge a leash stronger than any chain.

Mmmm, you said what I would have written but much better than I would have written it. I don't particularly use the phrase because I prefer " control" or just "being submissive" to someone. I feel a slightly negative connotation using the word bondage - that you might be bound yet want to leave, whereas it's a mutual pleasure thing. You want to stay put when he says "don't move" and you generally obey that instruction, using that as one example.

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RE: MENTAL BONDAGE ? What is it ? - 4/22/2006 3:30:37 PM

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I feel impelled to say again that people here may never know just how much reading these message boards can mean to someone. People may just never know for certain (because sometimes folks just read and don't comment) whether something they've said or clarified more explicitly is going to help someone else. Well, having re-read this thread again I found more distinctly clarified food for thought that applies to my life - and I was hoping for it by tonight, as it applies to this term "mental domination" ( or "bondage ) and got it (and am going to use it).
So thankful for thus thread!

-susanofO

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