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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 12:42:54 PM

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Sure, just as bad as there is bad management around that would like nothing better to stuff their pockets at the expense of the Corporation. For they know that there is the good ole buddy network and that the next CEO job is around the corner. ie ==The aforementioned Ms. Carly of California

They haven't and don't use the word NO because of the holy grail of the stock price and next quarters results. There is no planning beyond that and whether the company exists in 5 years isn't what a CEO's job in todays world is about.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 1:04:21 PM

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While we are using correlation to prove dependency I feel that I should bring up another danger that we really need to address, ice cream causes murder. As you can clearly see murder rates increase whenever ice cream sales increase so what we should do to stop this heinous crime is clear, ban ice cream!

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 1:11:58 PM

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While we are using correlation to prove dependency I feel that I should bring up another danger that we really need to address, ice cream causes murder. As you can clearly see murder rates increase whenever ice cream sales increase so what we should do to stop this heinous crime is clear, ban ice cream!

Are you sure murder doesnt drive up ice cream sales?

Im sure one our resident conspiracy theorists has some link between Son of Sam and Dairy Queen.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 2:51:34 PM

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I can invent one. It's easy.

Its the Growth Hormones they give the Dairy cows, which remain present in the Ice Cream.

And we all know a certain "Chosen People", have dietary laws regarding Dairy products.

Even a 3rd grader should be able to see the link.

Now you just make a website and you tube video, whee you take donations and sell a "DVD full of 'facts'" regarding the Zionist Ice cream deliviered Mind Controll Hormones.

And there is a great list of idiots who have demonstrated thier lack of thinking skills by accepting the 911 "truther" nonsense.

They are a great source of pre tested, gullible idiots. You can sell them all kinds of dumb stuff. Over priced Gold. Bunk "sealed" Emergency Supplies.

But mainly its about the click through adds.

These idiots will spend hours jumping around "informative sites where the Jews don't controll the news", and you can paid each time they reload a page.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 3:26:32 PM

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The teamsters are a shell of what they used to be. Thanks to crooked union leaders and the mafia, 100's of millions have been fleeced from un knowing or un caring union members.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 5:51:40 PM

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http://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/rrlo/lmrda.htm

Just some information people may want to review. The Annual Financials is one of my favorites, its amazing what the unions spend their members money on and all the little special fees and such. The CBA's are interesting also.

What most people don't know is that while the union can promise you ANYTHING to get voted in, the company can't promise anything. The unions don't have to by law follow through on their promises. 9 times out of 10, the unions get no more than what the comapny wants the employees to have. And the employees have no recourse when the unions don't follow through on their promises. Sure they can decert the union, but many times the unions try and get a multi-year CBA, this way they can't be decertified for however many years the contract is in place. So they do a sucky job and get a 3 year contract, the employees are stuck with them for 3 years.

Most people don't get that when you vote in a union you become one with every employee who is part of that union and you are seriously only as strong as the weakest or laziest member. You are and cannot be an individual anymore to the company or else the company is risking a NLRB Complaint filed against it.

What many employees don't get is that in CBA negotiations many times the FIRST things the union is desperate to obtain is union security and direct debit. For those who don't know what union security is it means that beyond the BECK objectors if you fail to pay your dues or you withdraw as an individual from the union, the company HAS to fire you. The unions will fight tooth and nail to have these in the CBA, they will many times negotiate things down from things that would benefit the employees and that the company is WILLING TO CONCEDE just to get these two things. These two things are completely for the benefit of the union NOT the employees they say they are so worried about getting the BEST deal for. There is so much more. The concept of the unions nowadays is simply BIG BUSINESS. So is your company, so the employees tend to get caught between the two as pawns. But in the end, who really has the power? The company and the employees. The unions USED to benefit the employees, for the most part now, they are simply in it for their own big business.

Oh and regarding strikes? The Company legally can bring in replacements to take over your job. While they have to guarantee you a job when you come back, its subject to usually if they have positions for you to fill. MANY employees have NO CLUE about this they believe that their job is safe when they go out on strike, its not true. And when the employees strike the employer is allowed to stop everything with regard to the contract. They don't have to pay you, pay your health insurance etc.

The legalities are out there, but the unions depend on employees believing what they tell them and their ignorance and lack of wilingness to really understand how the legalities work.

angel

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 6:14:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

http://www.dol.gov/olms/regs/compliance/rrlo/lmrda.htm

Just some information people may want to review. The Annual Financials is one of my favorites, its amazing what the unions spend their members money on and all the little special fees and such. The CBA's are interesting also.

What most people don't know is that while the union can promise you ANYTHING to get voted in, the company can't promise anything. The unions don't have to by law follow through on their promises. 9 times out of 10, the unions get no more than what the comapny wants the employees to have. And the employees have no recourse when the unions don't follow through on their promises. Sure they can decert the union, but many times the unions try and get a multi-year CBA, this way they can't be decertified for however many years the contract is in place. So they do a sucky job and get a 3 year contract, the employees are stuck with them for 3 years.

Most people don't get that when you vote in a union you become one with every employee who is part of that union and you are seriously only as strong as the weakest or laziest member. You are and cannot be an individual anymore to the company or else the company is risking a NLRB Complaint filed against it.

What many employees don't get is that in CBA negotiations many times the FIRST things the union is desperate to obtain is union security and direct debit. For those who don't know what union security is it means that beyond the BECK objectors if you fail to pay your dues or you withdraw as an individual from the union, the company HAS to fire you. The unions will fight tooth and nail to have these in the CBA, they will many times negotiate things down from things that would benefit the employees and that the company is WILLING TO CONCEDE just to get these two things. These two things are completely for the benefit of the union NOT the employees they say they are so worried about getting the BEST deal for. There is so much more. The concept of the unions nowadays is simply BIG BUSINESS. So is your company, so the employees tend to get caught between the two as pawns. But in the end, who really has the power? The company and the employees. The unions USED to benefit the employees, for the most part now, they are simply in it for their own big business.

Oh and regarding strikes? The Company legally can bring in replacements to take over your job. While they have to guarantee you a job when you come back, its subject to usually if they have positions for you to fill. MANY employees have NO CLUE about this they believe that their job is safe when they go out on strike, its not true. And when the employees strike the employer is allowed to stop everything with regard to the contract. They don't have to pay you, pay your health insurance etc.

The legalities are out there, but the unions depend on employees believing what they tell them and their ignorance and lack of wilingness to really understand how the legalities work.

angel

Good summary, with one correction that may sound nitty, but is pretty important. Striking employees cannot be permanently replaced after the strike if the strike was to protest anything that is considered an unfair labor practice. So youre right, if the strike is clearly over wages/benefits then they are not guaranteed a job after the strike. However, what does or doesnt constitute an unfair labor practice can be litigated, and it is usually less costly to hire back the strikers then it is to fight over the cause of action.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 6:16:19 PM

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You honestly believe that without a CBM that your company sees you as more than just a number?

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 6:29:38 PM

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You are correct about the different strikes, sorry, the 3 strikes we worked all dealt with wages i should have clarified you were right to nitpick.

Domyngblk, i know i am seen as a person by my company -- i wouldn't work for a place that didn't. i am allowed to speak FOR me and what I want as an individual, sometimes i get it and smetimes i don't. My wages, my benefits etc are all based on ONE thing -- me and me alone, i am not lumped in to any other employee or group.

My statements don't come from PERSONAL experience but in being an observer having worked in employment labor law. I've seen both sides of it. I've seen behind the scenes and have been part of CBA negotiations. Have you? You also don't get what i meant by seeing you as a number.

Go back and read what i said and you will see what i mean. As part of the union, you CAN'T be an individual because first and foremost you are simply part of the contract. You can only be as strong as your weakest employee, no matter how strong you are.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 6:32:21 PM

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You honestly believe that without a CBM that your company sees you as more than just a number?

The nuance you are missing is that under the law a unionized comany does not have that option. Are there companies that see their non-union members as individuals, and treat them base on their contributions to the company? Damn right. The vast majority in fact. Ensuring that is how management consultants make a good portion of the their 6, 7 and occasionally 8 figure salaries.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 6:52:46 PM

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There are also different kind of unions. The bricklayer's union local #5 in Cleveland has a very intensive training course with high standards. Same with electrician's #38. Less apt electricians are relagated to local #1377 while if you can't cut it in #5 you might as well go to local #310, the laborer's union.

Then we had this local chapter of the UFW which did not allow working on Saturday, which inconvenienced whover bought groceries for decades. Non union groceries filled the gap though and eventually they had to acquiesce. Many companies probably refused to pay time and a half, some responded by closing on Saturday. Others just cut hours so they could force the workers to work anyway without paying overtime.

We used to have a mechanic's union here that had a sweet package. If they work on your car for three hours and the book says four, you got paid for four. This had the overall effect of rewarding the more proficient and efficient. It did not level out the pay rates, only defined it.

Leveling pay rates only works on an assembly line.

Now if people weren't so damn greedy, each could bargain with the personnel department for their rate. But the companies got the upper hand when unemployment rose. There was no job security for anyone from that time on without unions. Now, even with unions there is no job security.

Outsourcing was their tool, is their crutch and will be their poison. All are responsible for destroying the most lucrative market on the planet. Sure some countries have greater populations, but in the past none had the wealth, and now that most of our's is gone, that's the end.

I hope the fatcats with all the money enjoy bathing in it, because the devaluation will be severe. I'd bet my left nut that many of the rich are diversifying into foreign currencies, I would.

In a nutshell, for many the warlike conquering attitude of Man has traded the [lock,] stock and barrell for the stock market. Competition in and of itself is not a bad thing, unless it is measured solely in dollars.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 7:09:10 PM

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In order to strengthen their political base, the republicans attacked unions and blame all the problems of mismanagement on them. Weakening unions helped republicans win seats in Congress that made laws beneficial to corporations and the wealthy. And that is where we are now.

AT&Tand the CWA did well because they had a monopolpy until it was busted up too.

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I was fortunate enough to be in a union ( CWA ) that understood basic business principles. If you put your company out of business, everyone loses. The Teamsters and auto workers unions never seemed to figure it out untill it was to late, for them and the companies they worked for. SEIU is next in line to get a dose of reality.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 7:13:14 PM

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You are correct about the different strikes, sorry, the 3 strikes we worked all dealt with wages i should have clarified you were right to nitpick.

Domyngblk, i know i am seen as a person by my company -- i wouldn't work for a place that didn't. i am allowed to speak FOR me and what I want as an individual, sometimes i get it and smetimes i don't. My wages, my benefits etc are all based on ONE thing -- me and me alone, i am not lumped in to any other employee or group.

My statements don't come from PERSONAL experience but in being an observer having worked in employment labor law. I've seen both sides of it. I've seen behind the scenes and have been part of CBA negotiations. Have you? You also don't get what i meant by seeing you as a number.

Go back and read what i said and you will see what i mean. As part of the union, you CAN'T be an individual because first and foremost you are simply part of the contract. You can only be as strong as your weakest employee, no matter how strong you are.

angel

No, I don't have the same experiences as you. And I got your meaning of the words. And, in some jobs, it is better to be part of a contract than be an individual. We recently had a Hugo Boss plant that threatened to leave cleveland and with the help of the local union the workers were able to save their jobs. Individuals would never be able to work that out.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 7:16:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

You honestly believe that without a CBM that your company sees you as more than just a number?

The nuance you are missing is that under the law a unionized comany does not have that option. Are there companies that see their non-union members as individuals, and treat them base on their contributions to the company? Damn right. The vast majority in fact. Ensuring that is how management consultants make a good portion of the their 6, 7 and occasionally 8 figure salaries.

Thats deep. Management consultants are there to cut numbers.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 7:45:33 PM

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You do know that the workers took a $3 pay CUT for the next 3 years minimum? Not all people kept their jobs, the employee number was over 300 before April and is now under 150 with only 40 of them non-union (do you know if they took a pay cut? something tells me they didn't) and many took severance packages. If the union was smart, they would have insisted on a year long CBA especially with that significant a pay cut. But instead the company now has 3 years wherein the paycut won't need to be corrected even if their profits soar. Smart move on the company. In order to guarantee the employees the 5 day work week they cut 80 part time jobs. The company made demands on the employees in order to keep the company open. The employees and union caved to those demands. To me, that is what the company wanted and needed. Do you think individuals couldn't have done this? The difference is, without the union, it wouldn't probably have came about at all because the company could have laid off the people that didn't come back, cut the 80 part time jobs, and had the employees take a pay cut. They wouldn't have had to go into negotiations playing hard ball saying they would move the company. They would have gotten the same results only without having to deal with the union.

All in all, it seems like the company got what they wanted. ISomething tells me it was simply them playing hardball because of the unions. I can't believe an informed company like Hugo Boss would not know how to deal with the union and how to get what it wanted from them. Its really not hard to manipulate a union through the employees. Fear is a great motivator.

I am not saying every now and again a union helps some employees within a crap company, but more often then not, they don't. Think about it, the union needed that company to stay in Cleveland, why? Because without the company more than likely they would have lost members -- a lot. And in this recession they are probably losing a lot of members.

So 130 people kept their jobs at a huge paycut as the average salary is now $10 an hour, not much to live on really, its what $200 above minimum wage? Others got severance packages, and 80 part-time jobs were cut.

Based on the results to me it seemed all the union was concerned about was keeping their members which meant they needed to keep them employed. Oh and just out of curiosity, did the union agree to lower their dues for these employees beyond the new percentage because of the lowered pay scale, or even suspend their dues since it cost the employees $3 an hour? Somehow i doubt it -- yeah it cares about the employees.

Domyngblk, i really am not trying to convince you unions are bad lol despite my own opinions about them, but i do hope you take from this and the link i provided, information and knowledge that will make you need to look deeper into any union you are involved in or support. IF you are fully informed and still enjoy unions then by all means give them your money.

angel

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 8:02:27 PM

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I can invent one. It's easy.

Its the Growth Hormones they give the Dairy cows, which remain present in the Ice Cream.

And we all know a certain "Chosen People", have dietary laws regarding Dairy products.

Even a 3rd grader should be able to see the link.

Now you just make a website and you tube video, whee you take donations and sell a "DVD full of 'facts'" regarding the Zionist Ice cream deliviered Mind Controll Hormones.

And there is a great list of idiots who have demonstrated thier lack of thinking skills by accepting the 911 "truther" nonsense.

They are a great source of pre tested, gullible idiots. You can sell them all kinds of dumb stuff. Over priced Gold. Bunk "sealed" Emergency Supplies.

But mainly its about the click through adds.

These idiots will spend hours jumping around "informative sites where the Jews don't controll the news", and you can paid each time they reload a page.

What ?

Suffice it to say, I've got you. I've got you right where I want you.

Paying for everything...everything. I've got you paying me a profit to live.

I've got you paying 30 years instead of 6 or what should be less...if we really were richer...for your house. I've got you paying for your car in 7 years instead of 1. I've got you paying for everything. The wars, medicare for somebody else, the debt service.

Don't you get it kinkroids ? I got you...lock-stock and barrel. You and your kids are going to pay ad pay through the nose for me. I am the capitalist.

You pay most of the taxes vs your wealth. You pay 35% on your 100,000 while I pay 15% on my millions. Your kids go to war while my kids have better things to do. Get a grip...the writing is now on the wall.

Consider yourself lucky not to carrying 16 tons a day for 30 years and whadduya get ? Another day older...and deeper in debt.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/1/2010 8:30:56 PM

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You do know that the workers took a $3 pay CUT for the next 3 years minimum? Not all people kept their jobs, the employee number was over 300 before April and is now under 150 with only 40 of them non-union (do you know if they took a pay cut? something tells me they didn't) and many took severance packages. If the union was smart, they would have insisted on a year long CBA especially with that significant a pay cut. But instead the company now has 3 years wherein the paycut won't need to be corrected even if their profits soar. Smart move on the company. In order to guarantee the employees the 5 day work week they cut 80 part time jobs. The company made demands on the employees in order to keep the company open. The employees and union caved to those demands. To me, that is what the company wanted and needed. Do you think individuals couldn't have done this? The difference is, without the union, it wouldn't probably have came about at all because the company could have laid off the people that didn't come back, cut the 80 part time jobs, and had the employees take a pay cut. They wouldn't have had to go into negotiations playing hard ball saying they would move the company. They would have gotten the same results only without having to deal with the union.

All in all, it seems like the company got what they wanted. ISomething tells me it was simply them playing hardball because of the unions. I can't believe an informed company like Hugo Boss would not know how to deal with the union and how to get what it wanted from them. Its really not hard to manipulate a union through the employees. Fear is a great motivator.

I am not saying every now and again a union helps some employees within a crap company, but more often then not, they don't. Think about it, the union needed that company to stay in Cleveland, why? Because without the company more than likely they would have lost members -- a lot. And in this recession they are probably losing a lot of members.

So 130 people kept their jobs at a huge paycut as the average salary is now $10 an hour, not much to live on really, its what $200 above minimum wage? Others got severance packages, and 80 part-time jobs were cut.

Based on the results to me it seemed all the union was concerned about was keeping their members which meant they needed to keep them employed. Oh and just out of curiosity, did the union agree to lower their dues for these employees beyond the new percentage because of the lowered pay scale, or even suspend their dues since it cost the employees $3 an hour? Somehow i doubt it -- yeah it cares about the employees.

Domyngblk, i really am not trying to convince you unions are bad lol despite my own opinions about them, but i do hope you take from this and the link i provided, information and knowledge that will make you need to look deeper into any union you are involved in or support. IF you are fully informed and still enjoy unions then by all means give them your money.

angel

Think you need to read a bit more about that and about this area before you take that kind of shot. The plant was as good as gone. Media attention , local leaders pressed them to stay. Sure they may have given up some money and some folks didn't get back on but what would be the alternative here in Cleveland? Unemployment with no other job to go to at all. Nada.....zilch....Kidding yourself if you think anyone of them would have had a happy ending. Would they have gotten severance? LOL....sure...dream on.

I don't think I need your link. Your anti union bias is pretty apparent. But hey, don't worry about it. Take monday off.....you deserve it. LOL

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 3:52:24 AM

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laughs, umm well despite my opinions of unions, the link is the Department of Labor website and shows annual reports, shows some CBA's in effect or that have been in effect etc among other things. It has nothing to do with me or my opinon of unions. The DOL is not biased lol. It shows the facts of the unions in black and white, documents the UNIONS submit annually etc.

Its really no big deal to me, you just seem like a Man, expecially if you are a Dom who would be a leader who would want to be fully informed. That website will help you get started being so. You may also want to see if you can sit in the next CBA negotiations. You may also want to talk to the NLRB or read the ACt and see exactly what the Company can still do and how much the union can do. All this information is out there. All you have to do as a person who is advocating unions is read about it. You don't have to change your mind, but i would think you would want to be knowledgeable. Or you can simply listen to what the union tells you and then blame and bitch about the company and make the company the bad guy when things don't go the way the union promised. Yeah, that's it lol. Make the Company the bad guy, that's what the union wants you to do.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 7:54:26 AM

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and had the employees take a pay cut.

Arbitrary reductions in pay is one of the prime things unionization prevents. How would you like it if your employer simply cut your pay 50%? Since most employees don't have written contracts directly with their employees nothing but unions and laws passed by unions prevents this.

BTW you're full of crap about companies treating blue collar employees as individuals not numbers without unions. How many line workers does GM employ today? What happens if GM has to deal with each one's request for raises etc. on an ad hoc basis? How many more personel management types would need to be hired at every plant? What does that do to company profit and productivity?

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 7:55:22 AM

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Well goodness. If what you say is true and that all Unions are simply entities to take from the worker and not give any type of representation why wouldn't all Companies want Unions? The logic you come with escapes me. On one side you say Unions have really no power that isn't granted by the Company and on the other you damn the Union because it can cause the Company ruin. Which is it?

Used your link and randomly picked out a CBM from Campbell Soup Company in California with Teamsters and Food Workers Union. Actually pretty mundane stuff. Then I realized as I looked at the list of benefits that all of these had been garnered over the years by the work of Unions. Not one of them granted without some sort of CBM or action over the years. Then I wondered why a nice submissive girl like you would be going out and biting the hand that feeds her. Nothing you have from your upcoming day off on Monday to your work hours to your Health Plan would not have been possible without the work of Unions. So you can go ahead and rail against Unions all you want. Just remember when you take that vacation day off to be with family around Christmas who is responsible for you having that day.

I know it doesn't really matter to you but I thought you'd be fair enough to give a read to this link as well. Might be informative for you about what has transpired. What is the saying? If you don't know history you are destined to repeat it? http://www.americanrightsatwork.org/component/option,com_issues/Itemid,366/view,issue/id,12/

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