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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 9:08:36 AM

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You honestly believe that without a CBM that your company sees you as more than just a number?

The nuance you are missing is that under the law a unionized comany does not have that option. Are there companies that see their non-union members as individuals, and treat them base on their contributions to the company? Damn right. The vast majority in fact. Ensuring that is how management consultants make a good portion of the their 6, 7 and occasionally 8 figure salaries.

Thats deep. Management consultants are there to cut numbers.

Wrong again.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 9:13:04 AM

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LOL, how can someone be so smug about themselves being totally incorrect all the time?

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 10:37:44 AM

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You honestly believe that without a CBM that your company sees you as more than just a number?

The nuance you are missing is that under the law a unionized comany does not have that option. Are there companies that see their non-union members as individuals, and treat them base on their contributions to the company? Damn right. The vast majority in fact. Ensuring that is how management consultants make a good portion of the their 6, 7 and occasionally 8 figure salaries.

Thats deep. Management consultants are there to cut numbers.

Wrong again.

Strange, I deal with business consultants all the time, my company does some IT consulting, and the point of bringing in consultant is always to find ways to save the business money.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 10:46:12 AM

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Yeah, I thought I was the only one, although, I guess guys like Chainsaw Al and others bring in 'consultants' and say, Goddammit!!!!! I am NOT bleeding money!!! Find out where this shit is getting plugged up and get that fucking shit outta here, fuck just giving me the bonus with all that dough...........I want real altruism!!!!!! Double the lowpaid workers wages, cut mine to what I am worth (around zero) and .....

Kenneth Lay et al.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 11:20:22 AM

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LOL, how can someone be so smug about themselves being totally incorrect all the time?

You gotta go with what you are given.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 11:26:33 AM

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AT&T han't been a monopoly since 1984, when the federal government broke it into 8 companies. It's now 2010 and they and the CWA are doing just fine..

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 3:59:57 PM

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I've seen very little discussion of teachers' "unions," the demon child of those who claim to want "educational reform." I've taught in a "right to work" state down South, and I've taught in a unionized school system in Maryland. Allow me to lay it on the line:

In a unionized system, I've actually had some say in my working and compensation packages. My contract is pages long due to that. In a non unionized state, my contract was one measley page that basically guaranteed the system the rights to my first born.

In a unionized system, there is a limit to the number of evening activities I can be asked to attend and chaperone (so it's still work, after all). In a non unionized system, I could be asked to attend any number of night events, as the principal directed.

In a unionized system, I am asked to dress "professionally" but nothing beyond that. In a non unionized system, I worked for a principal who required female teachers to wear dresses/skirts and pantyhose every. single. day.

I could go on and on about the inequitites, but this is the most important. In a non union system, I did NOT feel like a professional, nor was I held to a high standard of teaching. When I moved to a unionized system, I finally was. I felt more responsible. But I also felt more respected as a professional.

The hubris that Obama, Duncan, and The Washington Post feel the necessity to denigrate the National Education Association, of which I am a member, infuriates me. Add to that the fact that NONE of those people or entitities has one revolutionary or workable idea about education reform, and I cannot say anything except that America is hostile to education, to education reform, and most of all, to teachers.

The same applies to the American worker in other fields.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/2/2010 7:30:20 PM

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You honestly believe that without a CBM that your company sees you as more than just a number?

The nuance you are missing is that under the law a unionized comany does not have that option. Are there companies that see their non-union members as individuals, and treat them base on their contributions to the company? Damn right. The vast majority in fact. Ensuring that is how management consultants make a good portion of the their 6, 7 and occasionally 8 figure salaries.

Thats deep. Management consultants are there to cut numbers.

Wrong again.

Strange, I deal with business consultants all the time, my company does some IT consulting, and the point of bringing in consultant is always to find ways to save the business money.

Which of course doesnt necessarily mean cutting numbers, but then Im not surprised your experience is that narrow.

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RE: America is strong when our unions are strong - 9/3/2010 5:36:02 AM

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I've seen very little discussion of teachers' "unions," the demon child of those who claim to want "educational reform." I've taught in a "right to work" state down South, and I've taught in a unionized school system in Maryland. Allow me to lay it on the line:

In a unionized system, I've actually had some say in my working and compensation packages. My contract is pages long due to that. In a non unionized state, my contract was one measley page that basically guaranteed the system the rights to my first born.

In a unionized system, there is a limit to the number of evening activities I can be asked to attend and chaperone (so it's still work, after all). In a non unionized system, I could be asked to attend any number of night events, as the principal directed.

In a unionized system, I am asked to dress "professionally" but nothing beyond that. In a non unionized system, I worked for a principal who required female teachers to wear dresses/skirts and pantyhose every. single. day.

I could go on and on about the inequitites, but this is the most important. In a non union system, I did NOT feel like a professional, nor was I held to a high standard of teaching. When I moved to a unionized system, I finally was. I felt more responsible. But I also felt more respected as a professional.

The hubris that Obama, Duncan, and The Washington Post feel the necessity to denigrate the National Education Association, of which I am a member, infuriates me. Add to that the fact that NONE of those people or entitities has one revolutionary or workable idea about education reform, and I cannot say anything except that America is hostile to education, to education reform, and most of all, to teachers.

The same applies to the American worker in other fields.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Without a CBA and a Union teachers would be paid a fraction of what they are now. They are some of the most educated people in our society and given the task they perform for society the money they get is not enough in proportion to that task.

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