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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 5:13:27 AM   
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But overwhelmingly.......... I want the truth. One of my prime goals in life and in the lifestyle is to find one that I can turn myself inside out to, and she to me. That's not asking too much, is it?
 
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No, it is not asking too much. It is one of the biggest differences i see between a real life M/s relationship and a vanilla one.

Is it easy, hell no it is not. But for me it is the only way. Everyone has preconceived notions of who and what they are, to see yourself revealed in the fluorescent glare of truth is some times painful. Yet it is one of the very things i seek in an owner.

In offering myself to my owners as a slave i bared all of me i knew, hoping they would love me as i am. Expecting they would see the things i have yet to see and do what was needed to correct what was bad, heal what was hurt, guide what was unsure and never turn a blind or hateful eye on the totality that is me.

In the process i expect to see all that they are, that i may love them as they are. To enable me to serve and support them in all their endeavors. Content in the knowledge that i see them for who and what they are; that the beauty i see revealed to me keeps me at their feet.



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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 5:35:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		When it comes to issues of honesty talk is cheap and I wonder how many people's behaviour match their words.

I tend to be a little cynical on this issue, not just because of certain experiences in the life style but in life in general. The people who have demanded the most honesty from me have ended up being the most dishonest themselves.

Inflexibility is against the grain of the relative nature of the world we live in and it leads to people becoming warped and morally dishonest even if factually honest. Be careful what you demand because you might be expected to reciprocate.

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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 5:51:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Honesty--the thing we want the most and yet fear the most---S/m in its most vanilla form---<smiles>--I have always prided Myself on honesty, I give it, I get it--at work, from My family---but I never realized how hard honesty can be for someone until I met the boy---<no he isn't a secret criminal or married>--but he wanted Me to know who he is/was, how he was shaped, formed, reacts, deals, manages--to the depths of his soul--all the while fearful I will say---I can't cope with that, I don't understand that, I don't want to deal with that---I have never seen the fragility of a soul as I have with him, as he shares the meaning of him, the depth of his submission, how he was shaped, how he "works"--but I gave him the strength, the reassurance to express, to feel the freedom---and it has brought us closer, deeper, I respect him for taking the risk.
 
Honesty, is something many take for granted, something many abuse--IMHO, it is the most elusive trait in humanity today. It takes one of great strength to survive, it takes one of greater strength to be honest.

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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 6:14:53 AM   
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Honesty--the thing we want the most and yet fear the most---S/m in its most vanilla form---<smiles>--I have always prided Myself on honesty, I give it, I get it--at work, from My family---but I never realized how hard honesty can be for someone until I met the boy---<no he isn't a secret criminal or married>--but he wanted Me to know who he is/was, how he was shaped, formed, reacts, deals, manages--to the depths of his soul--all the while fearful I will say---I can't cope with that, I don't understand that, I don't want to deal with that---I have never seen the fragility of a soul as I have with him, as he shares the meaning if him, the depth of his submission, how he was shaped, how he "works"--but I gave him the strength, the reassurance to express, to feel the freedom---and it has brought us closer, deeper, I respect him for taking the risk.
 
Honesty, is something many take for granted, something many abuse--IMHO, it is the most elusive trait in humanity today. It takes one of great strength to survive, it takes one of greater strength to be honest.


I enjoyed your post, MH. Do you feel you open as much of yourself to your boy as he does to you?
 
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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 6:15:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		honesty?  honesty slapped me in the face as i looked at the picture i would post. the pic was brutally honest in form character and intentions, i wanted to cry it was so honest so brutally honest, dispelling any preconceived notions that i might have entertained as to just what or who i am. to me a pic, no matter how outrageous can reveal more that the one pictured ever intended.
Can anyone be more honest than what is revealed in their pic. not the obvious physical display, but the nuances inadvertenly photographed and recorded. that pic; the clothing, the posture, facial expression and a hundred other little almost imperceptible clues; that, and there journal entries, or lack of them has often told me a very different story of what they are after. i still can't handle total complete honesty; but i keep trying to do so. maybe that a good sign, i still try. would you want me to be brutally honest in every aspect no matter how inappropriate or hurtful..if i'm honest with myself i don't think i could, not yet.....just a thought from a no-one, no-body; who has no business being here. But, on the other hand always respectful
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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 6:16:12 AM   
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But overwhelmingly.......... I want the truth. One of my prime goals in life and in the lifestyle is to find one that I can turn myself inside out to, and she to me. That's not asking too much, is it?
 
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No, it is not asking too much. It is one of the biggest differences i see between a real life M/s relationship and a vanilla one.

Is it easy, hell no it is not. But for me it is the only way. Everyone has preconceived notions of who and what they are, to see yourself revealed in the fluorescent glare of truth is some times painful. Yet it is one of the very things i seek in an owner.

In offering myself to my owners as a slave i bared all of me i knew, hoping they would love me as i am. Expecting they would see the things i have yet to see and do what was needed to correct what was bad, heal what was hurt, guide what was unsure and never turn a blind or hateful eye on the totality that is me.

In the process i expect to see all that they are, that i may love them as they are. To enable me to serve and support them in all their endeavors. Content in the knowledge that i see them for who and what they are; that the beauty i see revealed to me keeps me at their feet.




twiceowned, I have to believe that they are quite happy with you *smiles*..... thank you for your post, it is very much in line with what's on my mind.
 
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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 6:32:50 AM   
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Main Entry: hon·es·ty
Pronunciation: 'ä-n&s-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 obsolete : CHASTITY
2 a : fairness and straightforwardness of conduct b : adherence to the facts : SINCERITY
3 : any of a genus (Lunaria) of European herbs of the mustard family with toothed leaves and flat disk-shaped siliques
synonyms HONESTY, HONOR, INTEGRITY, PROBITY mean uprightness of character or action. HONESTY implies a refusal to lie, steal, or deceive in any way. HONOR suggests an active or anxious regard for the standards of one's profession, calling, or position. INTEGRITY implies trustworthiness and incorruptibility to a degree that one is incapable of being false to a trust, responsibility, or pledge. PROBITY implies tried and proven honesty or integrity.

Honesty, as illustrated, is straightforwardness, sticking to the facts.  One can be honest without being intimate (and I don't mean in the sexual way this particular moment), but can one be intimate without being honest?  Is one's most intimate thoughts and history to be available to anyone, or reserved for one with whom one is developing a relationship that is more than acquaintances?

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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 6:44:16 AM   
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I enjoyed your post, MH. Do you feel you open as much of yourself to your boy as he does to you?
 
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A fair question, yes Level I do, more than with anyone in My life except My late mother--I feel too for the first time a feeling of trust--(you have seen us talk of this many times in many threads)--I feel that to share foibles, weaknesses ( well I DO have one or two)--have not lessened Me in his eyes and that is the most free I have felt in My life--by being honest, he too learns how to best relate, serve, care for, love Me, Mistress. Woman and Mother.

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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 6:46:54 AM   
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Honesty, as illustrated, is straightforwardness, sticking to the facts.  One can be honest without being intimate (and I don't mean in the sexual way this particular moment), but can one be intimate without being honest?  Is one's most intimate thoughts and history to be available to anyone, or reserved for one with whom one is developing a relationship that is more than acquaintances?


Excellent post, feastie..... I think it's up to each of us how much we share with others. I do hope that if one keeps things to themself, they do so without resorting to lying. I'm very curious to see what others say.....
 
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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 6:49:56 AM   
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I enjoyed your post, MH. Do you feel you open as much of yourself to your boy as he does to you?
 
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A fair question, yes Level I do, more than with anyone in My life except My late mother--I feel too for the first time a feeling of trust--(you have seen us talk of this many times in many threads)--I feel that to share foibles, weaknesses ( well I DO have one or two)--have not lessened Me in his eyes and that is the most free I have felt in My life--by being honest, he too learns how to best relate, serve, care for, love Me, Mistress. Woman and Mother.


Thank you for your answer, MH. I have respect for you both in what you're doing.... and relate strongly to that sense of freedom you speak of. To have to hide parts of one's self... I'm seeing that more and more as a sort of cancer of the spirit.
 
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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 7:05:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		How very true, that is why he is indeed in My eyes, a man of great strength in many many ways--and to kneel before Me, completely open--risking all, sends My soul soaring.
 
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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 8:33:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		All this talk about honesty and I can't help but think of the movie, "Liar, Liar." 

Time and place, I think.  Do I want brutal up front, in my face honesty about myself from a stranger?  No, because it is meaningless to me.  Would I receive such a revelation about myself from someone who is trusted and safe?  Absolutely.  Would I dare tell someone I barely know, a harsh (but honest, in my opinion) observation about him/herself?  Not likely, but depending on circumstance.

Dishonesty can also be ommision of information.  Does that mean I am dishonest to my friends and family who do not know I am a slave?  Well yes, but I'm okay with that.  Those folks do not need to know every detail about me.  It does not take from our relationship to not know I kneel before another. 

It is great to say oh we must always be honest to everyone, but it is not practical.  The art of learning respect and manners is almost equally important.  I wouldn't tell an elderly woman, "Lady...your lipstick is clear up to your nose and looks terrible!"  I would instead, smile and be kind.  I would, however, say that to my best friend if it were true. (although I probably wouldn't call her lady).  To my Master, there is no question - everything is revealed, and I am always honest.  However, in the beginning of our relationship, it didn't always feel safe to do that - he worked with me to make it so.

Sometimes it is appropriate to be brutally honest; sometimes it is appropriate to bite your tongue and smile.

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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 8:35:25 AM   
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Is one's most intimate thoughts and history to be available to anyone, or reserved for one with whom one is developing a relationship that is more than acquaintances?


I somehow missed this post when I first read the thread.  Excellent point, and I was thinking along the same lines.

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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 9:59:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would just add again that you don't have to be brutal or rude to be honest. Nor do I mean to give the impression that I've never lied to spare one's feelings, I have. But in striving to better myself and be more true to ideals I value, I work towards that total honesty thang.
 
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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 10:01:05 AM   
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I would just add again that you don't have to be brutal or rude to be honest. Nor do I mean to give the impression that I've never lied to spare one's feelings, I have. But in striving to better myself and be more true to ideals I value, I work towards that total honesty thang.
 
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Excellent post, Level.

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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 10:27:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, feastie . I enjoy yours too, intelligent and thought-provoking.

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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 11:22:11 AM   
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Be careful what you demand because you might be expected to reciprocate.


Demand? I do not think that is the right word; expect, yes i expect their honesty, receive, yes i receive it.

I am confused as to the "you might be expected to reciprocate" comment. I stated quite plainly i have revealed to them and they own all that i am. I did the same with regards to knowing all they are. So what am i missing here?



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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 11:27:10 AM   
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twiceowned, I have to believe that they are quite happy with you *smiles*..... thank you for your post, it is very much in line with what's on my mind. 
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Thank you for the compliment  Level, i hope they are.   smiles back...giggles.. new name...twiceowned... i like it  

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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 11:57:11 AM   
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I think it's human nature to subconsciously hide those things we fear will push others away.
Mistress Hathor made a very good point- " Honesty--the thing we want the most and yet fear the most"- I often say that the one thing I want is for someone to KNOW me, to truely know me, yet THAT is something I'm close to terrified of. I'm not dishonest with people, but like feastie said in her post, I'm one of those who are straightforward and keep to the facts.
Sometimes people are like this for a reason, mine being that during my childhood & teens I wasn't allowed to express my emotions or feelings- it was BAD.
As an adult, my experience has been that when I have opened myself up, it gets me hurt or makes people 'disappear' from my life. . . I've conditioned myself to keep those things inside, being convinced that this is now the end result of my being "honest". I know this about myself and I'm trying to change; but, it's not something that comes overnight, and perhaps it's a matter of finding that one person who won't go away. . . trust.
I think that sometimes, life teaches us to simply keep our mouth shut for fear of losing something wonderful in our lives; but the irony IS, we'll never have anything special if we don't take that risk and ultimately end up loosing anyway.
Just my cent . . .

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RE: Observation: Honesty - 4/23/2006 12:04:12 PM   
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twiceowned, I have to believe that they are quite happy with you *smiles*..... thank you for your post, it is very much in line with what's on my mind. 
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Thank you for the compliment  Level, i hope they are.   smiles back...giggles.. new name...twiceowned... i like it  


Ah crap lol..........twicehappy, you have my apologies for that. At least I got half of it right ....
 
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