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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/22/2006 6:20:12 PM

ShiftedJewel

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And I refuse to be victimised by a bunch of TV soaked posers destroying the one thing we all have.
This is not the tv show KINK or whatever other bullshit A&E documentaries.

I knew there was a reason I don't watch television! I swear, if I see one more thread about that show "big love" I'll loose my mind! It's a SHOW people!!!

And there is/was a thread about "high end" subs... perhaps you could check out that train wreck... lol

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/22/2006 8:44:32 PM

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Dear Ms. Stacy and Mr. John, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I am from an antiquated system to which there were many Masters and slaves, to which numbers would exceed some current BDSM support and education groups. So, it was necessary to establish ranks as well as to establish who was “staff” and who was “students.” In my salad days of the lifestyle, much like karate, we had degrees of slaves to which we wore color coded tags on our collars to denote our status. As far as Masters went, the Masters entered lesser ranking Masters before senior, as to stand and give the silent salute (bow from the head) and established the orders of the day. Student Masters were assigned to senior Masters, so they filed in after the staff Masters were settled and took their place with their training/mentoring Masters. Now days, nothing really supports such.

As a faculty member of Master Taino’s Training Academy, which is predominantly Gay Leather there is rank. Master Taino is Executor and Master Tallen is Co-Executor and the rest of the instructors are faculty. Slaves that work in the capacity of trainers/presenters are called ‘staff’ slaves. These slaves have power as to direct and correct the student slaves absent of a Master/Mistress that is faculty. This academy is low keyed but extremely effective with four days of intense exposure of what Master-slave relationships are about. Master Taino’s academy is under utilized by heterosexuals but, perhaps it will change.

I am also a member of Master Tallen’s Leather Corps, which I belong to the Honor Legion at the rank of Major. Using the military vein of rank and discipline, that structure works for Master Tallen.

In my past experiences, dominants and submissive individuals could choose the European “school” of M/s and or D/s; in which we had four foundations to choose our “style” of domination and submission. Military, Civilian, Religious and or Imperial. I will proffer a side note, that in “Screw the Roses” you will see Master Phil Miller dressed in a religious frock, using the bondage and techniques of the Church’s Inquisition period, to which modern BDSM and S&M borrow from and mute it as not to be fatal. However, these four foundations do have “ranks” in authority and submission, protocols and such.

In a household though, I am of the practice in a polyandry home; the numbers of slaves do not justify ranking system. I take great pains to see that slaves are treated equal. It is important other slaves help each other succeed but, do not ‘train’ the slaves. That is my duty and responsibility. I do agree with slaves who are collared to a Master/Mistress, only to be pushed aside to a slave for training; that they have been mislead, especially when they do not know up front that this is how the Master/Mistress trains. The collaring is to the Master/Mistress --not to their slave(s). Each slave will be in charge in a rotation basis. All learn how to be in charge and how to follow as a slave.

In summary, slaves in the company of other slaves, need to know that there are senior slaves and are entitled to respect and their advice is worthy to listen to. However, slaves can only caution, advise, offer to assist, support and inspire in my household. But, they are never there to ‘train,’ or 'pull rank/seniority' unless they are giving a presentation or workshop.

Respectfully submitted,

Lady Hugs

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 1:01:02 AM

MsDominiquenz

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Awesome post Lady Hugs..
No visiting sub is above my 24/7 slave, and newbies need to turn to him for assistance on the more mundane, or advice/help and an experienced sub (in my ways) will assist another while he tends to other matters and so on.
How many times do I need to teach coffee making, do the grand orientation tour, describe a bath preparation, how I like my clothes layed out, Dungeon cleaned blah blah ..I can go blue in the face with repitition and boredom, so the soldiers do that while I move on. I demand respect for A/all in my domain, so it is done in a friendly manner, but when it comes to the rules, Domination, or training on personal matters.. thats me.
Those who have put the work in will have a higher status/ role than others, even a slave, and that needs be recognised, just as he will open to any learning he can achieve from those more experienced than he is in some way.
Without structure there can be kaos.

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 1:07:31 AM

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Sounds to me kinda like a cross between Dungeons & Dragons and Harry Potter. But who knows, I'm sleepy and the world is wide enough for all kinds.

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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

As a faculty member of Master Taino’s Training Academy, which is predominantly Gay Leather there is rank. Master Taino is Executor and Master Tallen is Co-Executor and the rest of the instructors are faculty.

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 7:29:25 AM

lily84

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Hi stacy...
u've got a good question that i've been wondering for yrs ,lol .Frankly ,i've never compared this slave to that slave b4 as i think i'll be also annoyed to be compared to someone else.So the only thing i believe in 's my feeling . to me ,the best slave 's one i feel comfortable the most with ,thats all. Anyway ,im delighted to be here and learn experiences from u all .Tx and bye !
L

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 8:03:30 AM

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I honestly am having difficulty at this moment thinking of another question or topic as completely ludicrous as this one.

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 1:51:08 PM

littlesarbonn

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If it would help, you can rank me as a 100, and then every other slave can be seen as a percentage of how much they come to being as perfect as me.

(looks around)

What? I'm trying to be helpful.

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 2:56:11 PM

EbonyFtshGoddess

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LadyHugs/MsDominiquenz:

i see where you're both coming from on this one. and i entirely agree. people that adhere to or follow older schools of thoughts in BDSM do tend to follow a ranking system. I personally have one as well, with my live-in slave or potential live-in slave being in the Alpha position. my other slaves have to listen to him in the event i'm absent.

the more experienced slaves/masochists tend to rank higher, but by no means is that true. this is evaluated twice per year. they don't have a problem with it. contrary to what someone earlier said that it's not very motivating.. i find it the exact opposite. everyone under my training wants to be my most favoured slave. with it comes privileges and duties that the others are not allowed to have. they view it as an honour and those whom do not have that honour..want it. it definitely keeps them on their toes and i find it amusing. and that's what they're here for- amusement.

the alpha slave is the example of a near perfect slave and he is someone that all of my slaves SHOULD strive to be. they aren't treated like dogs left out in the cold and when someone ranks higher than them they quickly learn to keep up or get left in the dust. but i don't dismiss people because they are on the bottom rung.

this system of ranking isn't based upon a stratified military ranking per se. but i know many dominants and dominant couples that do employ a ranking system such as that. they tend to be gay male dom/sub relationships heavily into uniform and military play. and i mean REAL scene players.. none of this dungeons and dragons quasi online BDSM bullshit.

so it's not as absurd or obtuse as some of the other posters would like to believe. it tends to be what people call "old guard" (god i hate that word.. but you know what i mean).. it also tends to be a european stable practice. you probably remember the time in BDSM when before you were able to refer to yourself (legitimately) Mistress or Master or Goddess you had to first serve for a period of time as a submissive to learn the ropes, and experience first hand what you will one day do to someone else. ranking was and is very integral for that sort of training.

and i'm not saying that people that just awaken to their bdsm side cannot and are not legitimate dominants- it was just the community did not view you as such because it was seen as you are short cutting things a bit. and both ways are fine, i just prefer to run my stable of males the same way i was inducted into bdsm. and i have no complaints.

i'm currently training 3 males whom will one day be released to take their own slaves just like i was released to take my own slaves 10 years ago. i know when they get out there they'll be EXEMPLARY dominants. and any submissive in their hands will be properly trained and safe under a knowledgable dominant. i'm not saying EVERYONE has to do this, but this is how things used to be done, are still being done and ranking was/is VERY important in that.

but unless someone has done that i guess the principle querent's question would fall on unknowing ears.

my slaves are ranked depending upon their training and level of experience- depending upon if they are a pony slave, a masochist, a fetishist, edge player, or toilet slaves..etc it has nothing to do with how much i "like" a person. when they enter my stable they're doing so with specific purposes in mind (ie.. i have slaves whom are ONLY ponies, some whom are ONLY rubber dolls, some whom are ONLY masochists).. and the more experienced of those in each group will rank higher and give the lesser of the experienced ones something to look forward to).. my higher ranking slaves tend to also also be the ones that have served me longest.

human pigs and toilet slaves tend to be on my bottom rung (but trust me.. that's precisely where they enjoy being.).. rubber slaves and edge players or people into heavy SM are highest on my list. maids fall somewhere in the middle of importance because they're pretty much a dime a dozen. i could toss a quarter out the window and hit a sissimaid. boot worshippers rank high in my boot because i'm a uniform fetishist.

yes, everyone has a place and everyone has a rank. it's not as "way out there" or the vicious demeaning process as others would like to see it.

i sort of think it's a little sad that someone comes to ask what they feel is a legitimate question and they're attacked so brutally- just because others may feel that their fetish or way of doing something is silly. i read things i think are silly on here all the time..i mean flat out MORONIC.. and if i don't have anything constructive to say i don't respond, i'll read.. and follow.. but i don't derail. YET i see responses to these at best utterly and entirely ludicrous questions. but rather than derail the original poster's question with my negative input- i just don't respond. i thought the purpose of a forum was to share ideas even ones contrary to our own. but debasing someone's way of doing something is far from constructive.

it's somewhat disheartening to see on a forum where were supposed to be openminded (by sheer virtue of the fact that we do engage in things that most people would think we're nuts for doing).. i dont see how some responses could have been so closeminded just because it's not something they experience or can fathom experiencing.

but that's just me.

i can accept that others may not choose to live out their bdsm lives the same way i do.. but dammit if i'll rip someone a new one because they think differently or have different experiences..

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 3:27:31 PM

LadyHugs

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Dear Lordandmaster, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I invite you to see Master Taino's web site; www.mastertaino.com He is also the Producer of the Master slave conference in Washington, DC. It will be the third one.
If you go to "Training" -- then faculty; that should answer the rank issues. The purpose and results are also posted.

Master Tallen's site is at: www.mastertallen.com His site will speak for itself as well. I am under the Honor Legion section.

Lady Hugs

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 3:34:10 PM

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You are so awesome proud sub, you are always digging in the archives to find pasts posts, its so helpful thank you!

To the op I have a ranking system of sorts, which I truly believe makes the boys a. know where they are in the pecking order, and b. allows then to know what to do to progress further in their journey if that is attractive to them. Stage one is applicant and their real name, stage two is applicant with a name I choose for them, stage 3 boy, stage 4 is slave boy, and stage five is slave...

For folks who feel as though this creates competition and insecurity I have found that it is actually opposite, because everyone knows where they are, they are accepted at that level and then it is up to them to progress further and get the rewards at those higher levels.

Beautiful post ebonyftshgoddess...

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 3:42:11 PM

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Feastie,

There are lots. Check almost any other thread he/she/they have started.

Yours,

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 4:07:19 PM

EbonyFtshGoddess

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crouchingtigress

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To the op I have a ranking system of sorts, which I truly believe makes the boys a. know where they are in the pecking order, and b. allows then to know what to do to progress further in their journey if that is attractive to them. Stage one is applicant and their real name, stage two is applicant with a name I choose for them, stage 3 boy, stage 4 is slave boy, and stage five is slave...

For folks who feel as though this creates competition and insecurity I have found that it is actually opposite, because everyone knows where they are, they are accepted at that level and then it is up to them to progress further and get the rewards at those higher levels.

Beautiful post ebonyftshgoddess..

i think the idea of stages is a good idea. i get novice males that may want to serve me but i expect them to start out pretty much fully experienced. in the process i could be passing up a potentially really good novice capable of progression. i just typically don't have patience to train a novice. when i want to scene i want to go whole hog, not have to hold back for a novice.. but with that being said, perhaps i'll employ a stages system for initiating novice subs.

crouchingtigress

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Beautiful post ebonyftshgoddess..

thank you, but i felt it needed to be said and i'm not one to mince words.

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/23/2006 4:41:48 PM

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Using post reply so this is in reply to no one in particular.

My ranking system is simple. My subs are the best, most useful, sexiest and most obedient subs that have ever existed and the rest suck. Any subs that are under consideration at this time are somewhere in between.

Note: my sarcasm is intended to show how absolutely ridiculous I find this thread. If you had to read this disclaimer to know that...

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/24/2006 5:37:51 AM

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The system of ranking subs within a house might work for some and each to their own... but I read this question as ranking one's sub against other people subs. To me all that matters is that my subs are the best for me and I for them I don't care about the Joneses subs

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/24/2006 7:18:20 AM

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stacyandjohn

My ranking system is such: ( Oh and by the way all My slaves are born perfect, taught perfection and leave in perfect condition, and are perfect above all others slaves. ~smiles~)
All slaves who sign contracts with Me are given a name.
I start with A and work My way down the alphabet in naming My posessions.
When branded their initial goes above My DREAD name that shows their Ownership
with each years aniversary marked with a dash on the left side of their initial on their left
upper thigh in the front. No matter when the slave is released they will always have this brand with them n life and service. If you ever have chance to come apon My once Owned slaves you will
know their rank by how worn their brand and strikes is hence knowing how long they have served.
Oh yea there are only 7 slaves who have left My service to date in 35 years so the pickens are slim to none. TA DA!!! Thats it in a nutshell................ ~smiles~

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/24/2006 4:32:28 PM

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With respect,

This old horse thanks "Lady Hugs"and "Ms Dominiquenz",for being the gems that they are.

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/24/2006 6:16:18 PM

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You are so awesome proud sub, you are always digging in the archives to find pasts posts, its so helpful thank you!

Thanks Tigress, it's always nice to be appreciated. I think LA has pretty much taken over my thread pulling job but i will help when i can, just can't spend the time here that i once did.

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/26/2006 4:11:47 PM

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Oh, my goddess,no ranking system!!!,THAT'S TERRIBLE! i just know i would be at the top! Oh, my, all this time i thought i was preparing for that new TV show, "Rank the Slave" that just MUST be happening SOON, i've eaten my wheaties every day, toned my voice, flexed my pc muscles, bribed my Mistress, practiced how fast i can make breakfast, lunch and dinner, taken a whippin and kept on lickin', oh, i am just soooooo bummed out. can somone at least propose a reality show to whoever is in charge of that sort of thing, LOL.......

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/27/2006 9:13:46 AM

EbonyFtshGoddess

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america's top slave?.. tyra banks may have some competition soon.

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RE: is there any ranking system for subs/slaves - 4/27/2006 9:19:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD

Oh yea there are only 7 slaves who have left My service to date in 35 years so the pickens are slim to none. TA DA!!! Thats it in a nutshell................ ~smiles~

You've had slaves since you were 12 years old?

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