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To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 9:26:33 AM

Nosathro

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Hello to All

Okay, I am Gorean, some here may not like that. I hold to the concept that this is a community where we can respect each others Lifestyle, does not mean we agree with it. Saddly I have recieved some messages from those I have never met mocking My Gorean ways recently. Why I do not know but let Us remember that We should be supportive of each other here.

I wish you well

Nosathro

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 10:38:02 AM

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I personally have nothing against Gor. That being said, I'll add an exception. I have encountered FEW Goreans who did not espouse Gor as the One and Only True Right Way. I have been attacked over and over by Gorean dominant males AND by Gorean slave females (and not respectfully, either), for being a dominant woman. They just can't seem to accept that any way other than their own way is Right, and I am denying my true submissive self that I'd be free if I would submit yada yada yada, accompanied by massive quotes from the novels to "prove" their point.

So it's not so much that I do not have respect for those who follow Gor... but they have no respect for me.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 10:46:56 AM

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I personally have never felt anything less than respect for the Gorean ways.I do admit to a great deal of ignorance of the practice, but have never felt any dislike for it...however..most of my respect for the life of Gor, in my personal opinion stems mainly from one on this message board with whom I have a great deal of respect for,his attitude,opinions,quiet strength and great sense of humor led me to this conclusion from MY beginning, and it has not wavered since....be well..Tempting

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 10:56:21 AM

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Ive read a couple of Gor books, I can appreciate the feelings of slavery described in them. Ive also got a kink about the whole being captured theme. Actually it wasnt till I read the couple of books that I could appreciate why people get drawn into living a Gor lifestyle, there are some really cool aspects to it. Maybe the mocking people havent read the books, or are just plain disrespectful of other peoples life choices. I've never met any Gor people RT, so its still a mystery to me how it all plays out in RT, although realistically, a pure bdsm Master/slave relationship seems the same to me, just without the terminologies that are used in Gor, so I dont see any need to attack people involved in a Gor Master/slave relationship.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 11:00:58 AM

Proprietrix

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I don't have a problem with Goreans at all. In fact, the Goreans I have conversed with have usually been quite respectful in their speech. It's not a concept I understand completely, but when I have a question, Goreans have always been polite, although a bit reserved, in answering.

As for the flame of Goreans. I have witnessed that. (Especially at real time munches.) And it really kind of ticks me off. The ones I've seen disrespecting the Goreans usually try to do it in this "I'm so innocent, I just don't understand, please explain" sarcastic manner, when what they're really saying is "I think your an idiot and I don't agree with your ways, so please try and justify yourself to me."
And I would guess that's why Goreans are a bit reserved, as I commented above, in answering questions about their lifestyle.

I try to make it a point of just asking my question and then being content with the answer(s) rather than engaging in some rediculous "justify it to me" dialogue.

As for strangers blasting you in private messages, don't think Goreans are the only ones subjected to it. I get all kinds of blasts (I think we all do to some extent), about individual kinks, beliefs, or limits. I shrug it off, delete, block, and go on with life. The day I start letting some stranger on the internet make me lose sleep at night, is the day I've been spending way too much time at the computer.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 11:04:35 AM

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Explain your ways to me, great, force them on me, no. If once you've properly explained what you believe to me, and I still dont agree, than agree to disagree. You can live your life your way and I'll live my life mine.
Personally, I like to hear differing viewpoints, even when I disagree... some people get all defensive about that, though. they're insecure. not that I'm not... I'm just so insecure that I'll consider whatever anyone has to put out there, though, I guess...

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 11:10:04 AM

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I see the Gor lifestyle as one of the many possibilities an individual can choose to follow. I personally do not, but if it feels right by that person then so be it. I would have to definately agree that we should all be accepting of others, regardless of thier lifestyle choice...and to attack anothers, simply because you dont agree is futile. If someone wishes to know more about a lifestyle then get informed, but try not to draw conclusions based on your own experiences as being "the Right Way".
This happens so many times in everyday life (religion, politics, etc) as well. But FORCING one's ideologies on another is just wrong...and most likely against the principal foundations that contrive the lifestyle to begin with. If Gorean is the way that some want to lead thier life then great. If one wants to be TPE 24/7 great. If someone wants to be a Trekkie/Star Wars/Sci-Fi/Fantasy enthusiast then great. (*or LOTR, dont leave that one out!)
Basically, those that are argumentative about it or berate others about it, are simply walking the path of thier ideologies with blinders on. There is an entire world...if not universe...of variances, but those variances are also filled with striking similarities!
'nough said, as I could ramble on and on..... Long Live the Jedi!

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 11:17:03 AM

Phoenixandnika

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I was trained to be a gorean slave.
There are some parts of the gorean lifestyle that I still currently practice, however; there are somethings that simply do not mesh anymore.

That doesn't make someone elses choice to do those things right or wrong - it is simply their personal choice.

That being said. I think the bashing goes both ways. I have seen some "gorean lifestylers" who rant and rave because someone does not buy into "their" believe system.

I also think that to presume that because many people on this site are involved in various aspects of the bdsm lifestyle that your beleives will be accepted with open arms is expecting way to much.Beyond our kinks or some basic things many people may have in comman we are all indivuals with our own thoughs and reasons for them. CM is not a utopia for anyone. There are jerks here just like anyplace else.

Blessed Be,

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 11:20:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix
As for strangers blasting you in private messages, don't think Goreans are the only ones subjected to it. I get all kinds of blasts (I think we all do to some extent), about individual kinks, beliefs, or limits. I shrug it off, delete, block, and go on with life. The day I start letting some stranger on the internet make me lose sleep at night, is the day I've been spending way too much time at the computer.

I think this is a great point of view... as is the point in the post just after one. First, this site lets us express our thoughts and feelings on various topics. However, taking those thoughts and feelings of another to heart is just putting yourself through too much angst. I posted something in another string on here that could help everyone out if it were followed a bit more closely...

Someone I met when I rekindled my love for BDSM gave me a great "kernel of wisdom" in anything... they called it an unofficial lifestyle motto, "Your kink is not my kink... but your kink is OK". I think it shows the accepting nature that many in the lifestyle have. I think it applies to Gor as much as to any other kink people like.

Steven--

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 11:50:36 AM

truesub4u

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I have no problems either with Gor... I respect the fact that they have theirs.. and I have mine. I have only met 1 Gor i have respect for thus far... and not going to hold back... it's Ironbear. ..... I know there are others on here... that i've seen post and make opinions and I respect those opinions... even if I do not always agree. Sometimes I think it's because of my ignorance of Gor. But then again it may just simply be something I disagreee with totally. Gor or not. Ironbear treats me with respect even if he disagrees with me. And allows me to disagree with him with out judging me and forcing me to see things his way. I've run across other gor that insist I see it their way. get down right demmanding about it. Specially from the slaves. Because i'm a submissive and not a slave... the most disrespect I have received online or off... have been from Gor slaves. No not all of them either.... just a select few.
Because a friend of mine has decided to go Gor... felt the call and is following the call. I find myself researching and learning more. I still don't agree with alot of it. But then again... it's because of my ignorance of it. But I love to learn new things. And this is something new to and exciting to me. Don't mean i'll accept it.... become .... live.. but my ignorance has me want to at least learn about it.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 11:54:52 AM

BitaTruble

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Hello to All

Okay, I am Gorean, some here may not like that. I hold to the concept that this is a community where we can respect each others Lifestyle, does not mean we agree with it. Saddly I have recieved some messages from those I have never met mocking My Gorean ways recently. Why I do not know but let Us remember that We should be supportive of each other here.

I wish you well

Nosathro

Nosathro,

Consider the source. Someone who sends you an email simply for the purpose of mocking your choices needs to get offline and get a job because they have way to much time on their hands if they can browse through the other side looking for Gorean to harass. I mean, really. Ignore, block, delete.. let that be your mantra. As long as human's are involved things are going to be messy.

Celeste

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 12:00:54 PM

Vancouver_cinful

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix
As for strangers blasting you in private messages, don't think Goreans are the only ones subjected to it. I get all kinds of blasts (I think we all do to some extent), about individual kinks, beliefs, or limits. I shrug it off, delete, block, and go on with life. The day I start letting some stranger on the internet make me lose sleep at night, is the day I've been spending way too much time at the computer.

Oh heck, I get emails saying I'm too fat to be a slave, or I can't be a slave because my profiles says I won't cyber, and a slave has no rights to refuse to be naked on cam with a "master"...blah, blah, blah.

But you know what? I've also been called names on the street, by idiots passing by in cars because I'm heavy, or have a tattoo on my shoulder.

There will always be people who have so many issues of their own that they just have to spread the venom. Sad aspect of human nature. At the end of the day I know I'm loved by friends and family...so, no, no sleep is lost.

I can understand your aggravation Nosathro, but to be honest the ones who do these things rarely bother reading intelligent posts on a forum.

Cin

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 12:04:20 PM

BitaTruble

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I'll second the vote for IB with the caveat that he's one of the few who actually makes an effort to go outside the Gorean forums and participate regularly on other topics, so there may be many others who I would also hold in high regard if I were to get to know them. IB though... he's just down to Earth and doesn't apologize for being who he is.. at the same time, he doesn't humiliate people just because he thinks he can or puts on some holier than thou attitude. Good choice, Tru. ;) He stated recently in a thread he's going to stay more in Gorean forums for posting .. I hope he rethinks that, because he is a good representative without being 'in your face' about Gor.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 12:45:56 PM

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SO true bita....I miss seeing his name on here... maybe we should all go to the Gor section and harrass IB into coming back here more... LOL

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 1:26:47 PM

fyreredsub

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greetings LadyMorgan

this girl has a Master/Mistress and it has opened her eyes,mind and slave being to a whole new perspective on being a slave and on caring for a Dominant Woman.she found she loves having a Mistress

this girl was once a Domme but found she had a slave belly but not all woman are just waiting for the right master to awaken theirs,*smiles*,some are very naturally Dominant and will remain as such.
There are several Masters (besides this girls) that this one knows of that accept Free Woman/Free Companions as such and treat the FW with the respect they deserve.

this one hopes that someday you run across Goreans that will treat you well.

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

I personally have nothing against Gor. That being said, I'll add an exception. I have encountered FEW Goreans who did not espouse Gor as the One and Only True Right Way. I have been attacked over and over by Gorean dominant males AND by Gorean slave females (and not respectfully, either), for being a dominant woman. They just can't seem to accept that any way other than their own way is Right, and I am denying my true submissive self that I'd be free if I would submit yada yada yada, accompanied by massive quotes from the novels to "prove" their point.

So it's not so much that I do not have respect for those who follow Gor... but they have no respect for me.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 1:32:26 PM

Dustyn

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Now see, I've always found it amusing that people are so insecure with themselves that they have to rag on someone else's choices.

But I find it even funnier when those that rag induce that other person to comment about it on a forum. I've been bashed for years online for my various views on things and all I do is point and laugh, sometimes in my head sometimes outloud.

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them and yours will be offensive to someone eventually. But that's just my opinion.

- Dustyn

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 1:55:57 PM

truesub4u

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Someones ragging on someone?????????? Where????????????? I don't see anyone ragging on any one so far.. give it time though... some one will step out... state their total dislike for.... and then the flames will start flying.... I'm just hoping my flame resisant cloak isn't out dated... LOL

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 2:08:39 PM

MistWalker

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said it before, and ill say it man y mroe times in life im sure. One of the things i love in this Lifestyle is the diversity. though sadly at times there dose seem to be something of a lack of respect for that same. by some anyway. my view has always been ill do my thing, you do yours. and as long as we dont try and push our way on one another we should be fine. all that said, Gor style is not for me as a sub or Dom, but i would not hold that choice against some one who made it for themselves. have had many a firend who did.. and for the most part when in there company have enjoyed myself. i have found them to be nothing but respectfull of me and my choices. but then ive always been lucky in choseing well those i associated with.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 2:25:40 PM

Cloudz

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IB is the only Gor Master I have ever had contact with. While I suspect he is far superior to the average in any group he associates with - knowing his association with the community would immediately garner my respect.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 3:49:45 PM

LadyMorgynn

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Speaking of finding one's true place... I started out in this lifestyle as a submissive. Or at least, thinking I was submissive! It was clearly apparent to everyone but me that I was not a submissive <laugh> but it took 2 years for me to figure it out! No one can say that, once taking an idea into my head, I give it up easily ;)

Funny thing was, though, that upon accepting (not just realizing) that I was Dominant, everything just kind of fell into place within me... like pieces of my soul that had been missing finally found their way back. I felt a kind of ...well, peace isn't exactly the right word... but in a way I felt like I was whole, completed. No more doubts about who or what I was, and in more areas of my life than just this Lifestyle. I became, virtually overnight, more effective at everything, my work, making decisions, getting things done. At long last, I was actually Commander of my own ship, instead of my life being at the mercy of wherever the waves flung me. I became ME, and I don't know how else to describe it.

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub
this girl was once a Domme but found she had a slave belly but not all woman are just waiting for the right master to awaken theirs,*smiles*,some are very naturally Dominant and will remain as such.

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