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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/22/2006 4:18:34 PM   
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Nosathro
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Morgynn, There are Woman of Dominance in Gor. (We simply accept that Men of Alpha Dominance in Gor reign in the natural order of Gor.)Those who tempt to belittle You or Your place are not the kind of Goreans Id accept. Remember one bad apple dont spoil the whole bunch Gurl. ~wink~
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though sadly at times there dose seem to be something of a lack of respect for that same
MistWalker, In Alternate Lifestyles its not respect thats expected but tolerance. With humiliationists. sadists, and painsluts and Arrogant Folks in secular Lifestyles and all the vanillas who are confused with the differance in D/s and M/s and Ponys for example here its expected that there will be grand differances of opinion however if We come here to the boards to gain the broad opinions of this diverse group of nonconformists We have to learn to be tolerant of those who practice the less desired and enjoyed aspects of this lifestyle We call Alternate to societies norm or morals. JMO
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and then the flames will start flying
I ENJOY flaming sub. Call it one of My kinks, nooo lets call it one of My fetishes, and your cloak is out of date...............(((((( ~~zap!!!!
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Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone has them and yours will be offensive to someone eventually
Oh no Dustyn My ass is enjoyed by everyone who gets their nose close enough to it to enjoy it. ~smiles~ wana lick?
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because he is a good representative without being 'in your face' about Gor.
Oh bita, There are many Goreans who are more then just Gorean is the point, Some of Us are Lifestylers who practice more then just Our Gorean lifestyles and thats why its so important to learn how to be tolerant of differances even if its one thats not liked its still a part of this lifestyles of alternates. Iron and Noth are both Good Goreans alltho quite different in Their application of the lifestyle. That does not mean that others who are more Arrogant, Aggressive, Singular in opinion, or disaproving of other Lifestyles not Gorean are not good as well, just different and human in the end. Im a Sadist and a Humiliationist besides being Gorean. Just how do you expect a Dominant Free Woman like Me to act having such fetishes and practices ?? Nice ??  ~smiles~ All I ask is that Im accepted for what and who I am regardless of how I act that you dont like at any given moment. Now what were the names of those who would go to the other side of collarme and write slanders to My Freind Noth ???          (slides My worded blade between My fingers at a peice of hair that cuts in half and falls lith to the collarme floor.) Unguard!


 

 
 

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/23/2006 4:20:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Read the OP... that will answer your question as to the ragging concept I brought up... didn't say it was going on in this thread, but I suppose I prolly should have made the distinction...

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/23/2006 4:48:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Hello to All
 
Okay, I am Gorean, some here may not like that.  I hold to the concept that this is a community where we can respect each others Lifestyle, does not mean we agree with it.  Saddly I have recieved some messages from those I have never met mocking My Gorean ways recently.  Why I do not know but let Us remember that We should be supportive of each other here.
 
I wish you well
 
Nosathro


Ok, you received an email blasting you for being Gorean, but you're going to post about it here and remind us (the people participating on the boards) that we should be tolerant and supportive?  Was it someone from the boards that emailed you?  If so, shouldn't you take it up with that person?  Or...just delete it and move on or comment on it in your journal?

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/23/2006 5:18:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree.  Not everything in the life style appeals to me, but I don't jusge others.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/23/2006 5:46:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Hello to All
 
Okay, I am Gorean, some here may not like that.  I hold to the concept that this is a community where we can respect each others Lifestyle, does not mean we agree with it.  Saddly I have recieved some messages from those I have never met mocking My Gorean ways recently.  Why I do not know but let Us remember that We should be supportive of each other here.
 
I wish you well
 
Nosathro
For a long time I participated and was actually a hammer wielding Manager in chatrooms and on more than one occasion did in fact have verbal altercations (or typing wars) with self proclamed Goreans, generally Masters. It took a long time to get past that as they were rude, obnoxious and quite self centered, proclaiming that their way was the only way and they insisted they lived out their beliefs in real time. But time is a healer and given time to converse with others I have concluded that it is unfair to judge an entire group by the poor behavour of a few. I don't profess to understand, but I am fine with letting "any" group do their own thing, it's not like I have to be personally involved. I have to honest, Iron Bear has probably been one of the most positive influences on me to bring back respect in my mind, when thinking of Goreans. No, we won't agree 100 percent of the time, but I respect him and his opinions, I read his posts and don't just scroll past, which is something I would have done in the past. Just as a few bad apples gave me a poor image, a few good ones can rectify that. As far as I am concerned, as long as no one is attempting to force me to conform to their ways, we are all free to be ourselves in whatever way we wish. Sure, I will always have my opinions and sometimes may just roll my eyes...but I do that when I see someone eat grits or chicken livers as well, I just keep my thoughts to myself in those cases..lol.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/23/2006 6:36:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		As one who has publicly stated my dislike of Gor I thought I would add a few words.  I blast Gor here when it comes into the light.  I don't go into their rooms, I don't email people who proclaim to be into Gor.  But you want to come into the broader BDSM community and I am going to treat you as I would anyone else. 

My distaste for Gor comes from having dealt with new people wanting to attend live BDSM events and having to straighten them out or assuage fears about what actually goes on at live BDSM events.

That said, a number of the male Gor dominants who post here I found worth reading although I don't hold the same feelings for the submissives who in my mind are too fantasy based.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/23/2006 6:50:43 AM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		See, this is what happened to me... the Goreans always blasted me on principal because they didn't think what I was doing was right.  Every time I posted, there were always some who came after me, no matter what the discussion was about.  It made the whole board an uncomfortable and unfriendly place to be, and I wouldn't like seeing that happen to anyone here.  Personally, as long as someone is "playing nice" as the saying goes, I don't think they should be blasted just because they believe differently. 

Well, except for people who believe differently than I do, of course!

j/l ;)

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

As one who has publicly stated my dislike of Gor I thought I would add a few words.  I blast Gor here when it comes into the light.  I don't go into their rooms, I don't email people who proclaim to be into Gor.  But you want to come into the broader BDSM community and I am going to treat you as I would anyone else. 


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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/23/2006 7:04:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		LadyMorgynn I just LOVE reading your posts!! Aside from almost always putting a smile on my face they usually touch something familiar inside myself and for that I thank you.
  I know very little about Gor however it appears to be a male dominated way of life to which, of course, I am opposed. In my 43 almost 44 years I have met thousands of people and almost zero men that I would deem worthy of submission to for one reason or another. I have been far more impressed by the women I have met thru my life and there are even a one or two I could imagine trusting and respecting enough to give submission a test though knowing myself at this advanced age I doubt I have it in me. All that being said I also am a firm believer in whatever floats your boat. I personally do not care what anyone does as long as it involves consenting adult humans. However, if you try and tell me that you are right and I am wrong and shove it down my throat, the caca is gonna hit the fan! I am what I am and don't particularly care if anyone agrees with me. I love to discuss other points of view in a mature grown up manner and often learn alot from that. That being said, I also agree with the others in that IronBear seems to be a delightful person from the things I have read in the different threads. If we were all the same and all believed the same thing imagine how utterly boring life would be!!! It's when we believe our way is the right way for everyone that gets us into trouble....the US and the Middle East is a prime example of that thought process going terribly wrong. We all have to come to a point of agreeing to disagree and respect one another as the individuals we are I think.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/23/2006 7:10:47 AM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		<blushing>  Thank you :)

I do have to agree that Iron Bear is delightful, and I hated it when I read someone's post that said he'd been made to feel so uncomfortable that he'd started to stay on the Gorean boards.  I thought that was a shame, that he should be attacked and made unwelcome for no other reason than that he was Gorean!  That is just wrong, and I think we should make a concerted effort to convince him stay with us! 

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
LadyMorgynn I just LOVE reading your posts!! Aside from almost always putting a smile on my face they usually touch something familiar inside myself and for that I thank you.





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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/23/2006 9:41:15 AM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Hello,

As you know me, and know that I am both intimately acquainted with Goreanism as well as not being willing to claim myself to be Gorean (for a myriad of reasons), I will offer you this.

I go into both Gorean and non-Gorean rooms, I try to engage in intelligent discussion in both types of venues... and I will say this: 

It goes both ways.  Goreans think they are afflicted by the 'regular' BDSM'ers and those folks think the same of the Goreans.  The 'my way is the right way' mentality can not be owned or foisted off onto one or the other groups of people. 

I have always found that the best way to deal with things is to stop the blaming as immediately as you can.  That does not mean you have to agree.  But if you take the confrontational aspect out of it and simply try to discuss any differentiation of ethos in an intelligent way (instead of disparaging others for their different views), at least you stand a chance of understanding one another.

However, I will reiterate that  as one who frequents both 'sects' of people, to maintain that the Goreans are only being judged and not judging, is wildly inaccurate... better to keep it on an individual to individual basis instead of lumping people into broad groups, in my opinion.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/23/2006 12:09:23 PM   
Nosathro


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I first want to thank ALL for their input.  It is nice to know that here there are those who are true friends like Mistress Dread and  feastie.  I do understand that there are also so called Goreans who also past judgment on others.  My posting was not strictly of a personal nature but to hope that all of Us here share something in common and should be supportive of everyone regardless of personal choices.  Again Thank you.

I wish you well

Nosathro

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/27/2006 1:28:11 AM   
mons


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I agree so strongly with you Master Ironbear has
shown me kindness, helped me with a problem my spelling
he gave me the strenght to go and know i can try to do it on
my own. Now i feel so strong about writing. I know i will make
mistakes but with him, and he gentle ways and how kind he
was to take the time to say " your getting better " was like a
birthday party to me which i never had one.

tryesub i spelled your name wrong sorry

Mons/Jane he is a true master and so are many other but i got to know him

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/27/2006 1:49:23 AM   
Calandra


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Status: offline 		I deeply respect the beauty and the ritual of Gor. My beloved cubby was kajirus in a real life household before he came to me. His training and his spirit is a glory to behold.

Having said that, I do have a major miscommunication/complaint with some Gorean Masters that I cannot seem to find a solution to... Maybe this isn't the place (if so, I welcome a private answer if someone is willing) but I am a traditional person.

I was taught a strict, specific way when I came into the D/s lifestyle, and I love the way all the various rules and rituals fit together to make my life whole. One aspect of that tradition was : a slave is NEVER to address anyone but their owner as Master or Mistress. They may say "yes, Sir/Ma'am/M'Lord/M'Lady/God/Goddess/etc.

I have passed this down to MY slaves, and they embrace my rules. The problem (You may already see it) Most Gorean Masters/Mistresses flip OUT when cubby or nomi calls them Sir. Now to be fair, some will respectfully say they prefer to be addressed as "Master so and so", but some outright command my slaves to address them according to their wishes (something that ticks me off to no end - how dare they?!). I've taught my beloveds to respond carefully and diplomatically with "I apologize, but my Mistress does not allow me to address anyone as Master or Mistress, is there some other way You'd like to be addressed?" OMG, the garbage really hits the fan after that in most cases!

As someone who embraces Gor, is there some way that I can teach my slaves to show deep respect to Gorean Masters/Mistresses without compromising my own long-held and beloved values?

I grew up in the South, and Sir is an honorable way to show respect here. Why is Sir so distasteful to Goreans?

I'd really welcome comments on this if it dosen't "hijack" the thread... ~warm smiles~

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/27/2006 2:07:34 AM   
Calandra


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ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash
 It took a long time to get past that as they were rude, obnoxious and quite self centered, proclaiming that their way was the only way and they insisted they lived out their beliefs in real time.


If I may ... I've also noticed the rude, arrogant, brash and disrespectful behavior of some Gorean Masters. I was once an op in a very large and popular NON-Gorean chatroom. A group of Gorean men came into our room, and "stripped the veils" of a Femdomme who was well respected. I went to their room, pissed and ready to defend the peace of our room's right to respect. Turns out, the room owner was appalled that this had taken place in "his name" and ended up banning the entire group from ever coming into his room again.

I think sometimes that the "fringe" Goreans... the ones we'd call "wannabees" in non-Gor rooms will try stuff that they'd never hope to get away with among people of their own "kind/culture/tradition". The few Goreans I've known at all were well spoken, respectful, honorable people, and their slaves were above reproach.

Does that make any sense?

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/27/2006 7:36:19 AM   
Reasonable


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Status: offline 		Lots of things I see interest me greatly.

But what pisses me off is simply hypocrasy.

Say what you do-but do what you say.

I'll not judge anyone harshly who follows that simple concept.

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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/27/2006 10:32:58 AM   
MistWalker


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Status: offline 		With each Mistress i have been under, there has been a similar rule in place..and on both sides. While i will told or not, not call any other Master/Mistress out of my deep respect for mine, i do not feel the title should be used outside of the one that is yours. i have been lucky in that those ive been with feel the same. Sir, Maam.. what not are perfectly acceptable to them from another submissive they may be speakign to..  Yet, at the same time i do understand, that some do things differently, and expect different greetings from  what is theres, and how they interact with others.  its just another point were toleration is needed..


my personle feeling has always been i have but one Mistress, orMaster, and they are the only one i will call such, and even as i say that, there are always exceptions. there are some in the lifestyle, that greatly deserve the respect, and have Treuly earned the title from All  but those you dont run across that often i mean truely pillars leaders of the comunity .. and even then some of those dont ask it themselves..so..anyway ill stop rambeling.


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RE: To Each His or Her Own - 4/27/2006 11:46:24 AM   
sephisurrender3d


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Status: offline 		I was Gorean for many years both on line and Off.. These days Master and i have decided we are living what is right for us , and basically we have ne name for it other than our life..We are a mixture of Gor and BDSM that works in our everyday life..Now being as i have been BDSM/Gor, slave/sube and Domme i can say i have sat here with my skin crawling and hair bristling wanting to post to things i think are rediculous or hurtful...But that is not my place as everyone takes from this lifestyle what they need and many have the "I'm better than You because" or Im more ________ than You because...Well its poppycock..Everyone picks and chooses what is right for them, i try not to push my beliefs on anyone and ask they dont push theirs on me..For me third person speach drives me nuts and gets confusing as hellso thank goodness Master doesnt require it unless its in a on line venue that requires it or a get together..Another big pet peeve is that sub/slaves have no rights and are treated like property ..BAH...They are still human with the same thoughts, desires,needs,wants and fears that need to be addressed same as any other person..

Now im not saying that every want should be given into but damn if a girl is sick or frustrate beyond caring about anything then id say she needs some down time to recenter herself and figure out what is interfereing with her slave/sub desires..If she is sick and can not perform her duties as sub/slave, wife,mother then why can a DOm/Master not take care of His girl? Is it not the responcibility of said Dom / Master to take care of His girl.... If she is broken she isnt much good to anyone now is she..If a pet becoames ill a Dom/Master will take care of it, if His car breaks down He will fix it so why not when His girl breaks does He not take care of her... One day the said Dominate may need her to take care of Him and well she may decide if she isnt worth His time or effort to take care of when ill then why should she then do so for Him .. Even though she most likely will...It doesnt make Him less a Master to do her tasks and take care of her, nor does it make her less a submissive to be taken care of when she is ill....In my opinion ( yes i know everyone has one and may make them out to be an ass in someones eyes) it takes a very strong Man/Woman in charge of His/Her ego to be able to Master first themselves and then another and be able to take care of said girl/boy so they may resume their duties..

I know for me when i was very ill my Master chipped in and cooked, cleaned, took care of the kids and took care of me till i was up and able to do so myself...For me this proved our bond strong , knowing that He cared enough for me to help me recover ..

I guess Master and i are different because He knows if i am overwhelmed and unhappy my service to Him isnt the best..As we just discussed this the past two days because i had gotten distant and depressed due to some issues i was afraid to broach...Though with some guidence of a wise Dom and sub/slaves i have since spoken to Master and we have moved past the issues to a  much closer bond..

Anyway enough rambling ,

sephi

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