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Lordandmaster -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/23/2006 6:30:37 PM)

At this point I have to wonder why Nigerian scammers identify themselves as Nigerians.  You'd think by now they'd have figured out that it's less transparent if they pose as, I don't know, Swedes or something.



MrMister -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/23/2006 6:42:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

At this point I have to wonder why Nigerian scammers identify themselves as Nigerians.  You'd think by now they'd have figured out that it's less transparent if they pose as, I don't know, Swedes or something.


It has been my experience that they have now taken to listing themselves as living in various cities throughout the US. 



gooddogbenji -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/23/2006 6:44:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sub-boy

Just moving off on a slight tangent: who's this "we" that doesn't want to see a system to stop things like scams? I certainly know I would welcome a well implemented system which done this.



The We Arpig is probably reffering to is the masses of CM who do not want CM to interfere in our actions off of the website.  I personally do not want CM to come to me and say "You made an inapropriate remark to a female friend of yours on MSN.  You're banished."

And in the exact same way, if someone contacts you on here, and you decide to take it to MSN, or Yahoo, or anywhere off this website, CM is not liable, not responsible, and I hope to hell they don't start to think they are.

Yours,


benji



gooddogbenji -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/23/2006 6:46:42 PM)

MrMister

They do list themselves in the US, but in the end, it's always Nigeria something or other.  Not "I was born in Sweden and moved to the US," but "I was born in Nigeria and moved to the US"

I've wondered the same thing, LAM, and I don't know the answer.  Maybe you should ask the next one?

Yours,


benji



MestreSADE -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/23/2006 6:51:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrMister

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

At this point I have to wonder why Nigerian scammers identify themselves as Nigerians.  You'd think by now they'd have figured out that it's less transparent if they pose as, I don't know, Swedes or something.


It has been my experience that they have now taken to listing themselves as living in various cities throughout the US. 


They are also making profiles in the UK. It is bothering, since you mail a new profile, then they have all different aproaches, but when it comes down to a Nigerian phone... you know what it is.

others, just contact you directly on your mail





apb -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/23/2006 11:45:57 PM)

I had someone start IMing me on Yahoo claiming to want to start a relationship with me because it is "so hard to be lesbian here in Africa".

<whatever>

Why in the hell would I want to be in a relationship with a total stranger (yeah and I don't even know for sure that it *IS* a woman) from a foreign country anyway?

"She" hasn't asked me for money yet ... but I am waiting for that to start ...  What's the number of that Swiss bank account??

[sm=sleepy.gif]



sub-boy -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/24/2006 5:17:33 AM)

Benji,

I can't see how "we" refers to the masses when it's coming from one person - unless there are only 2 people, in which case I could see 1 as being a mass - before making a decision for the masses wouldn't it be a good idea to ask them?

And I'm not suggesting that one person could get another banned - the whole point of community-based systems is that it takes a community to take such an action! Such an example would be a message based system where one person could comment on another - you would quickly see such scammers because of peoples comments on them. This could be extended to give "good citizens" (tm) greater karma - i.e. this person has left good comments before and based on this should be more trusted (go and have a look at Slashdot.org to see how their karma system works - or read the Wikipedia article about it).

:-))

sub-boy



Arpig -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/24/2006 5:56:50 AM)

Well I thought benji covered it pretty well, but since you object so strongly to the idea that one might use the word "we" in a rhetorical device, I will reemphasise for you.....I, and I believe the majority of CM users agree with me, do not want CM to start banning people for reported actions taken elsewhere than on CM. Also, keep in mind that the Nigerian scam isn't illegal, up until they empty your account, and if they are good at it, and just solicit money...well that is 100% legal I am afraid (otherwise telemarketers would have been shut down years ago).
The karma system wouldn't work very well on here, because this site is primarily one aimed at getting people together to indulge in kinky sexual activities. And the number of people being reported for one misdeed or another would flood the site....just look how many threads get started asking basically what you did...."Is there some way to expose a person on CM who is a __________ (fill in the blank with the descriptor of your choice)?" and that is when it is clearly stated in the TOS that there is not....you do the math



Proprietrix -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/24/2006 6:10:46 AM)

I think before you could even think of implementing a community based karma system, you'd first have to manage to get everyone here to agree that this is a cohesive community. I don't see CM as a community. I see it as a huge group of misfits. An enormous group of a bunch of smaller groups, some of which have absolutely zero in common with one another. Hell, we can't even all agree on whether or not everyone here has the common thread of being kinky, or into power exchange, or not considering themselves vanilla.

I personally wouldn't want every user on CM to be able to post their personal likes and dislikes about me. They've never even met me for one thing. I'm quite opinionated. A large part of my opinions are not exactly mainstream, even in the sense of mainstream for a subculture. And the internet is a very limited way to express one's views (as is most written discourse).

We're not talking about a friendly little discussion group on hobbies here. We're talking about deep issues such as love, romance, morals, ethics, bodily harm, rejection, sexuality, law-breaking, human value, etc... Those subjects leave a huge floodgate open for personal opinion, controversy, disagreement, and judging. The last thing we need is a bunch of people with ruffled feathers or hurt feelings to start chipping away at others' credibility, reputations, self-esteem, etc...

So the scammers get a few negative "points" or comments beside their name. I bet that's nothing compared to the quantity of negative points/comments that would show up beside a Domina's name for "being a bitch" and "not respecting limits". Or the amount of negative points that would show up beside a Gorean slave's name for being "codependent" and "unable to think for herself". Or beside a male fetishists name for being a "wanker" and "only interested in sex". You see where I'm going with this? The benefit of exposing 1 scammer, at the expense of a birage of insults to a dozen people who just have differing viewpoints, isn't worth it.
And that doesn't even touch on unjustified insults strewn at people due to their race, religion, weight, etc...

I could be totally wrong. CM might implement a karma/point system tomorrow and I might love it oodles. But from where I sit right now, I just can't see any advantage to having it.



sub-boy -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/24/2006 6:29:24 AM)

Proprietrix,

I can see and understand the potential pitfalls of a karma based system - however it was just a suggestion, as from what I've read elsewhere (I can't find the papers which I've read on karma systems right now but I'll post them later when I find them) it works pretty well.

I think that your concern about people getting negative points about unrelated/unintended things is justified, however the idea of adding weight/karma to each persons posts will soon weed out those who are posting about unrelated/unintended things.

:-))

sub-boy



Arpig -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/24/2006 6:54:58 AM)

quote:

the idea of adding weight/karma to each persons posts

Ah, so a person's posts will be given more weight based on the things others say about them...so the forums will become a popularity contest....wonderful, just what we* need!!


*in this case the "we" refers to anybody who got sick of this sort of crap in high school



sub-boy -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/24/2006 7:04:23 AM)

Arpig,

HaHaHaHaHa.

I've only got a few minutes inbetween compiles but maybe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot_trolling_phenomena

would answer some questions about different sorts of trolling and how a karma system deals with it. Grated, Slashdot is a news site and, as such, has a differnet sort of post - howeer it is discussion which brings about ideas about things.

:-))

sub-boy



JohnSteed1967 -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/24/2006 7:10:55 AM)

My best friend had a very weird scammer, Nigeria wanted to come to this country sent her a box of 1 Dozen long stem Roses and she said basicly if his paper work cleared she would be more than happy to help him visit, but nothing more.

Well the next thing she gets from the scammer is $10,000 dollars in Conterfit traveler's checks. she immediatly turned them into the FBI.

I warned her from the start, she never sent him any money and the scammer was out some roses and some conterfit travelers checks



Arpig -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/24/2006 7:27:26 AM)

Actually I read that already, and I am still not interested. The system here works fine, let slashdot use its cutsey karma system, I don't think we need it here.



sub-boy -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/24/2006 9:11:02 AM)

Arpig,

Thanks for your opinion on the subject - although I still feel that I have to disagree with you.

Anyone else have an opinion on this? I'm not talking specifically about the karma based system as discussed but a system to stop people from abusing a service.

:-))

sub-boy



QuietDom -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/24/2006 8:54:58 PM)

A system to "stop people abusing a service," is a SWELL idea... but only if it is implemented in such a way that the anti-abuse system can itself be easily abused.  Otherwise, people are going to use it against people with whom they've had disagreements, or a personal falling-out.

So-and-so flamed my post?  I'll just create a thousand false profiles, have them all give him bad karma, and get him banned!

Until a system is proposed that won't open the site to more abuse than it prevents, I'm opposed.  I haven't seen any such scheme yet, and don't expect I will any time soon.



TheProtector -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/25/2006 1:02:45 AM)

JohnSteed1967 yes the same thing with me, but it was not Conterfit traveler's checks, but Conterfit bank checks



sub-boy -> RE: Nigerian scammers (4/25/2006 5:10:27 AM)

Such systems are possible - or should I say such groups of systems are possible as, by it's very nature, social engineering attacks from several vectors at once.

The main issues are getting someone to implement such a system, and then having the people to maintain and manage such a system.

:-))

sub-boy



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