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Lucylastic -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/2/2010 2:41:46 PM)
Mariner isnt exactly without its issues, just nothing this serious http://blogs.chron.com/newswatchenergy/archives/2010/09/mariner_involve.html Mariner involved in 13 Gulf accidents since '06, seven with violations

brokedickdog -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/2/2010 3:56:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoiJen Where's Sanity to say that this is a "terrorist attack" or "The Left trying to kill jobs in the area again!"? Come on! This couldn't possibly be a fuckin clue to start moving away from oil as our primary source of energy. boi Ummm.... Anyone that thinks we need MORE clues to do that is about a half a bubble off plumb. And, in honor of Sanity's absence: This is a terrorist attack, pure and simple!! Either that or the left is trying vilify the perfectly safe oil industry and eliminate jobs in this area of the country!!

Hillwilliam -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/2/2010 6:20:18 PM)
I just read another report saying that, contrary to earlier reports, there were NO injuries. Let's hope that is true

Sanity -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/2/2010 6:50:59 PM)
If youre a Leftist in need of a crisis to force Americans on to expensive and unrealistic energy choices so far this story is a disappointment: quote: No sign of oil after Gulf platform fire: Coast Guard NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) – An oil and gas platform operated by Mariner Energy burst into flames in the Gulf of Mexico on Thursday, but the crew of 13 escaped and there were no signs of an oil spill, the Coast Guard said. "The boats and the aircraft on scene cannot see a sheen," U.S. Coast Guard Captain Peter Troedsson told a news conference in New Orleans. Initially, Mariner reported there was a mile-long oily sheen on the water around the platform, according to the government. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/ts_nm/us_oil_rig_fire

Sanity -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/2/2010 6:53:29 PM)
I replied in this thread a half a dozen times prior to your post, dog. quote: ORIGINAL: brokedickdog Ummm.... Anyone that thinks we need MORE clues to do that is about a half a bubble off plumb. And, in honor of Sanity's absence: This is a terrorist attack, pure and simple!! Either that or the left is trying vilify the perfectly safe oil industry and eliminate jobs in this area of the country!!

Lucylastic -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/2/2010 6:58:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity If youre a Leftist in need of a crisis to force Americans on to expensive and unrealistic energy choices so far this story is a disappointment: quote: project much?, thats just plain nasty and a fat shitty lie

WyldHrt -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/2/2010 8:02:36 PM)
quote: No replacement as of yet but we don't have a choice..We're going to have to find it eventually. In the meantime..a combination of alternatives can and would take a larger load of the worlds power needs if it was implemented on a grand scale. [snip] I'm a firm believer, if man can dream it and has the tenacity to make it happen..He will succeed most times. jlf was right, the world will be ending tomorrow. Not only did he agree with something Sanity said on another thread, but here I am... agreeing with Icarys! I think I just saw a flock of these go by, too [sm=pigsfly.gif][sm=pigsfly.gif][sm=pigsfly.gif][sm=pigsfly.gif][sm=pigsfly.gif] [:D][8D] Seriously though, we are going to have to get off our asses and start working on ways to make alternative energy sources more efficient and cost effective. While they cannot (yet) replace oil, that fact should simply make us want to use them more and push for better technology, as doing so will give us more time before we hit the wall and there simply isn't any more oil. Hell, people have been using pieces of foil coated cardboard and the sun as their main cooking method for years, a change largely accepted simply because they were running out of traditional fuel and had no choice. Even though solar cooking is not a perfect solution, it has tremendously eased the strain on a disappearing resource. That is a lesson we should learn, and soon. Actually, this dovetails nicely with Marini's thread about where new jobs will come from. Strictly on topic, I hope the reports of no injuries in the platform explosion are accurate.

rulemylife -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/2/2010 8:22:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity If youre a Leftist in need of a crisis to force Americans on to expensive and unrealistic energy choices so far this story is a disappointment: No sign of oil after Gulf platform fire: Coast Guard Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Lordandmaster -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/2/2010 8:23:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Affordable? The industry is highly subsidized here. We have fucked up a generation of men and women fighting two wars to protect it for ourselves not to mention the 1 trillion spent on it......Somehow that doesn't strike me as affordable. [sm=agree.gif]

Charles6682 -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/2/2010 9:06:59 PM)
I live near the Gulf of Mexico.It is a beautiful piece of water.I live near the Pinellas County coastline which is in the Tampa Bay area.This area hasn't seen a trace of oil,which is good for this area but still bad for surrounding area's that have been effecrted by the oil spill.The federal government need's to make sure that the BP oil pipeline can never be used again.While BP's tactic's are questionable at best,they have paid to cap the oil and for the clean-up effort.If gas exploration is going to be an option for energy,then it need's to be done in a safe and clean maner.Otherwise,drilling for oil should be off the table.There's no second guessing whether or not those oil rig's are safe.

Icarys -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/3/2010 5:45:41 AM)
quote: jlf was right, the world will be ending tomorrow. Not only did he agree with something Sanity said on another thread, but here I am... agreeing with Icarys! I think I just saw a flock of these go by, too Seriously though, we are going to have to get off our asses and start working on ways to make alternative energy sources more efficient and cost effective. While they cannot (yet) replace oil, that fact should simply make us want to use them more and push for better technology, as doing so will give us more time before we hit the wall and there simply isn't any more oil. Hell, people have been using pieces of foil coated cardboard and the sun as their main cooking method for years, a change largely accepted simply because they were running out of traditional fuel and had no choice. Even though solar cooking is not a perfect solution, it has tremendously eased the strain on a disappearing resource. That is a lesson we should learn, and soon. Actually, this dovetails nicely with Marini's thread about where new jobs will come from. Strictly on topic, I hope the reports of no injuries in the platform explosion are accurate. Maybe somewhere in our near genetic future...Hold onto your dream[8D] Solar and wind combined can provide enormous energy and it's already here for us to take advantage of. This combination could and does easily provide individual homes with renewable energy. Now as we speak. If it were implemented on a worldwide scale we'd save greatly on that alone. This all starts with us though and until we change our mindsets, nothing is going to happen. Check out the new electric cars too...Look at how fast that technology was revisited as soon as there was a push for it. The power for my cabin will be provided by solar and wind..Depending on the size of the system I choose...I'll have all the comforts of home that I have now. There's a definite move. Let's just hope it doesn't fade.

mnottertail -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/3/2010 8:38:35 AM)
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1831230/mpage_1/key_mother%252Cearth/tm.htm#1831426 here is one idea that will reduce oil usage, and feed a lot less dangerous reaction than nuke, and while we are at it, why does it gotta be an all electric car, why not little engines in them to run generators (instead of alternators) and keep the batteries far more charged extending miles? These things we can do today. Right now.

Archer -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/3/2010 9:27:24 AM)
Still can't provide me a car that can do Atlanta GA to Dallas TX on just electricity in anything less than a week. I'm all for the alternative energies being explored used and improved. But the large problems of electric vehicles remain, total recharges take 8 hrs, and ranges on a single charge are still around 120 miles. Better than what we used to have, acceptable for the way many people live. But that turns the 4 hour trip to see my mom into a 2 day trip with two recharges each way. So this would require that people have a primary gasoline vehicle for vacations and road trips which are a HUGE cultural thing for many of us. Hybrid is a great technology and as the cost comes down so that we can all afford them I'm sure more will buy them. Weening off oil is a great goal but it's not feasible YET without HUGE cultural and personal sacrifices. Question here how many chemical manufacturing fires go unreported, how many explosions in other industries never make it to the national news so that we can all argue about how they should be better regulated?

brokedickdog -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/3/2010 9:40:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I replied in this thread a half a dozen times prior to your post, dog. quote: ORIGINAL: brokedickdog Ummm.... Anyone that thinks we need MORE clues to do that is about a half a bubble off plumb. And, in honor of Sanity's absence: This is a terrorist attack, pure and simple!! Either that or the left is trying vilify the perfectly safe oil industry and eliminate jobs in this area of the country!! Yep, I hadn't covered the entire thread (just up to boi's post) and saw that AFTER I posted. I still got your back.

Sanity -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/3/2010 9:47:24 AM)
You raise some good points. Also, what if you want to plow a field, haul some freight or melt some steel? Windmills just dont cut it. quote: ORIGINAL: Archer Still can't provide me a car that can do Atlanta GA to Dallas TX on just electricity in anything less than a week. I'm all for the alternative energies being explored used and improved. But the large problems of electric vehicles remain, total recharges take 8 hrs, and ranges on a single charge are still around 120 miles. Better than what we used to have, acceptable for the way many people live. But that turns the 4 hour trip to see my mom into a 2 day trip with two recharges each way. So this would require that people have a primary gasoline vehicle for vacations and road trips which are a HUGE cultural thing for many of us. Hybrid is a great technology and as the cost comes down so that we can all afford them I'm sure more will buy them. Weening off oil is a great goal but it's not feasible YET without HUGE cultural and personal sacrifices. Question here how many chemical manufacturing fires go unreported, how many explosions in other industries never make it to the national news so that we can all argue about how they should be better regulated?

Icarys -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/3/2010 12:35:15 PM)
quote: Still can't provide me a car that can do Atlanta GA to Dallas TX on just electricity in anything less than a week. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/03/solar-car-xof1-power-of-one-world-distance-record.php Slightly more than 120 miles and if you take a quick trip on google...you'll find 300 mile ranges. They need tweaking surely but they are advancing just as surely. http://www.teslamotors.com/roadster We aren't there yet as I've said earlier and you have stated here but hopefully we don't procrastinate on things like we do everything else. Sadly people seem to only change when they feel like they have no choice.

Icarys -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/3/2010 1:44:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail http://www.collarchat.com/m_1831230/mpage_1/key_mother%252Cearth/tm.htm#1831426 here is one idea that will reduce oil usage, and feed a lot less dangerous reaction than nuke, and while we are at it, why does it gotta be an all electric car, why not little engines in them to run generators (instead of alternators) and keep the batteries far more charged extending miles? These things we can do today. Right now. Hybrids will do of course till we get to a long range electric/solar car but relying on a hybrid fully and settling there is nothing more than placing a band-aid on the problem. Something is better than nothing though. No doubt you can see the scale and time-frame in which we'd have to meet in order to make a difference? More interesting links. Check out the line for the Mitsubishi vehicle. http://www.gavinshoebridge.com/electric-cars/electric-cars-can-go-the-distance/ I found more on the Mitsu. http://www.gavinshoebridge.com/electric-cars/mitsubishi-electric-car-drives-1300-miles-on-a-single-charge/ http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarselectrica.htm Although I'm not sure about the actual race and how it was ran..Meaning if they stopped and charged or not..but I'm pretty sure they had a college competition for long distance solar powered cars and California won with around 1600 miles..I think... The technology is and has been here in my opinion for a great while.

Archer -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/3/2010 2:31:07 PM)
A 245 mile range from a car that has a base model costs over $100,000 (Stats from the Tesla Roadster link you provided) When you have one that has better than a 500 mile range and a 1 hr recharge at a cost < $20,000 then we can talk about actually replacing the gasoline models. Currently the $25,000 electric car market gets you 100 Miles per Charge, with a 6 hour charge time You have something that looks like a clamshell ate an electric skooter (Triac from Green Motors) But at least it'll do 80 MPH or the Xebra which looks like a very expensive cushman trike. With the Xebra the killer for most people is being limited to speeds of under 40 MPH. Anything that looks cool or sexy is minimum in the $35,000 range and that's the Alias which still ranks #1 for me in the field of electric cars for cool factor price and everything. and again you have the 100 mile range barrier. OH Left out the Aptera which I also find cool enough but still the price and the range fall short.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/3/2010 2:39:09 PM)
Hopefully, battery technology will mirror microprocessor technology. I mean you can dream cant ya? I still think fusion will be there within a few decades. Face it, oil is a finite resource and there are WAY too many cool things to do with it that dont include burning it. (Our entire chemical and plastics industries for example) If the oil gets scarce, they go down the tubes too.

Owner59 -> RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast (9/3/2010 2:46:53 PM)
Diesel/electrics would drive you around the world and save huge amounts of energy. We will always use combustion one way or the other and we don`t need to stop.All we need to do is curb our use and conserve a little. We don`t need to stop all carbon sources,just cut them some. We in America produce a tiny fraction of what we use(2-3%) and will never produce enough on our own,even if we quadrupaled the number of rigs. But by God we can make sure the rigs we do have are up to standards in safety and have a backup plan. There is ZERO excuse for not doing so.

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