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Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/22/2006 10:09:12 AM   
EbonyFtshGoddess


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A question posed to the female dominants. After reading some thoughts in the current *tributes* post in this forum I started thinking after reading some contrary opinions (imagine that.. someone actually LEARNING from posts rather than just trying to convert people to their way of thinking)...

I started thinking about what I personally feel would "cheapen" a relationship with my slaves (as some have posted how accepting tributes cheapens an interaction).. this isn't a tribute post, this took me to another thought of what I feel would "cheapen" an interaction.

I personally don't have sex with my slaves. I know that is the practice of most of my domina friends. I feel bedding my submissive for Me would cheapen the experience. I view their servitude as entirely non sexual (in the literal coital sense.. obviously submission on some levels is sexually arousing)..

I prefer males whom are there to serve even when they don't have a hard on or "feeling" submissive at the moment.

I have never been one to view a scene or play as a kinky prelude to sex. It's just the way we live on a 24/7 basis. it doesn't mean that we're walking around in rubber & collared 24/7 when they're with me (although i do have one slave that remains rubbered the entire time he's here).. but it's just an unspoken agreement that they are always there to serve.

They never see me naked and the only one allowed to orally worship me is my cuckold slave (but then again,  that's part of his job description)..

How do the female dominants feel about sex with submissives or submissives that expect sexual interaction with their domme? I'm sure many of the Dommes  prefer a 1 on 1 interaction with their slave/partner/lover so i'm not really referring to that sorta relationship.

For the dommes that have or do have intercourse with their males.. does it change the dynamic at all? and do you feel it complicates things. When i was 19 i had a slave that i was sexually involved with and after a while things started definitely changing. After i made a "no sex with slaves" policy I don't have that problem with topping from the bottom, or slaves only being submissive when they feel like it etc.

How important is chastity in your training routine? I definitely prefer chaste slaves whom are denied sex or any contact with other women. Even though we aren't sexually involved.


*edited to ask*  How many male submissives reading this post engage in sex with their domina and do you expect it as part of your service to her?



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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/22/2006 10:56:31 AM   
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I'm not a female dominant, but I hope you won't mind if I attach something of a follow-up question.

I've always suspected that when it comes to total-chastity policies ("no sexual contact with me or anyone else, ever"), there are substantially more males who fantasize about such a policy (and probably waste your time begging for it) than there are who would be willing to really accept it when the time comes.  I understand the logic behind, and I'd accept, a relationship in which intercourse with her was off-limits.  I'd accept a relationship in which any sexual activity on my part was entirely under her control and supervision.  But a long-term situation in which someone is expected to be a totally non-sexual being seems to go against many human instincts.  To me, at least there's a big psychological distinction between a life of total chastity, and a life in which the opportunities for sexual expression might be rare (and/or supervised, subject to her whim, perhaps in ways and with partners I might not consider ideal) but not entirely nonexistent.  So I wonder if by expressing a desire for that kind of a situation, a domme generates a lot of interest from the "true no-limit total chastity 24/7 in a cage" pretenders, but scares away many more realistic would-be submissives.  Do any of you "no sex with the Goddess" dommes provide alternate sexual outlets for your subs, and do those of you who believe in absolute total chastity agree with my suspicion that most who say they want it aren't being realistic about their own ability to accept it?

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/22/2006 11:24:45 AM   
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I'm confused.
You say you aren't into sex with your subs, but your profile lists things like strap-ons, ass play, queening, CBT, etc... as activities you love.
Don't you think that sends a mixed message to them?

Being an asexual person, it's important for me to know what definition of "sex" we are discussing, before I could give any input or opinion on the topic at hand.

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/22/2006 12:19:25 PM   
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Geez....I'd break one of your commandments......I would bare false EbonyGods before you if I were in that position.

Fastlane pouts in the corner...no sex.....yeah, right!

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/22/2006 1:04:58 PM   
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It´s quite similar with me and Mistress. We don´t have sex, I never see her naked and she sets a limit to any sexual contact with other women. Masturbation is allowed once a week, and soon she will lock me up in a chastity cage wich will really deny me any sex, with myself or any other person.

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/22/2006 4:04:27 PM   
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hello iam a sub who desires a very stern dommie i do perfer the bbw style  but some ive met doesent believe in forced male chasity i do believe in this life style as i feel it takes the slave to a whole new higher level in serveing.yes i believe permanet chasitys are very good in training the slave . their are many ways a slave can please his godess

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/22/2006 6:01:43 PM   
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I belive total chastity but find it impossible to have any slave wear one for any period of time with comfort being the main issue. No i dont have sex with my slaves and i forbid any one of my slaves who have been with me for a period of time to see a nother Mistress or women.

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/22/2006 8:14:52 PM   
EbonyFtshGoddess


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Linda..
quote:

It´s quite similar with me and Mistress. We don´t have sex, I never see her naked and she sets a limit to any sexual contact with other women. Masturbation is allowed once a week, and soon she will lock me up in a chastity cage wich will really deny me any sex, with myself or any other person.


it's nice to see others that live a primarily chastitized existence. it's not easy.. but like another poster said.. it takes their submission to a WHOLE other level..

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I'm confused.
You say you aren't into sex with your subs, but your profile lists things like strap-ons, ass play, queening, CBT, etc... as activities you love.
Don't you think that sends a mixed message to them?

Being an asexual person, it's important for me to know what definition of "sex" we are discussing, before I could give any input or opinion on the topic at hand.


when i said sex.. i clearly stipulated like typical coitus.. (ie.. male penetration of a female)..

queening/face sitting isn't sexual because i'm fully rubbered.. they couldn't get to lick my pussy or ass if they tried! strapon is part of their anal/fisting training . CBT has ZERO to do with coital sex. they aren't putting their tortured penis into me. that's amusement.. not sex. it typically involves things like saline infusions, urethral soundings, piercings, fire play and electrotorture.

it doesnt in my opinion send a mixed message because they know  nothing sexual in the typical view of sex (ie. him inserting his penis into any part of me).

as for someone that asked do they get allowed released. they are milked regularly and if more local to me and able to see me more than every 2 months they are allowed perhaps biweekly masturbation and/or milking for prostate maintanence.




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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 7:08:03 AM   
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Hi guys,
well.... i 'd like to c my doggy in chastity and keep the key on my anklet .So whenever he worships my feet , it'll remind him of my power .Anyway , i also know that its not good for his health to weat it for a long time as ejaculation 's still needed .Then i only have him be in it every couple of days .The first day he wore it ,it was quite frustrating and unable to stand for a pee pee (as he said ,lol) .But now he gets used to it ,and volenteers for it .
You all sound so great that u never have sex with ur slaves .But i cant bear it well . I sometimes do it with my doggy , always get on top though . My fav 's riding on him with a dildo on and go into his ass ,lol ....By the way , it'd be nice for me to discuss to doms about our doggies ,really nice .
Tx and bye all!
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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 8:16:45 AM   
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quote:

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No i dont have sex with my slaves and i forbid any one of my slaves who have been with me for a period of time to see a nother Mistress or women.

To each their own and I suppose your slaves enjoy that lifestyle and I'm happy for them and for you. 

But as for me?  HARD LIMIT!

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 8:45:29 AM   
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I wanted to comment as orgasm control is an important thing for Me.  What I am looking for is someone with few limits, who, like I do, wishes to explore the dynamics between the two of us.  I love chastity, and never had intercourse with My previous submissive... it would have felt so wrong.  He was in a  chastity device (mostly 24/7) and I liked it that way.  Most of My thoughts with another revolve around the same type of chastity dynamic.

I have found that orgasm control makes make a male surrender more of himself, and without intercourse, he will not see Me as a way to fulfill his sexual desires... or to "get off".  Many vanilla relationships rely on sex, and will not exist without it.  I want My relationship to thrive whether it exists or not.  Many (many, not all) subs think that being submissive is about the Female being on top during intercourse and maybe smacking him around while she's there.  My submissive will not "expect" sex, as he will likely never/rarely get it. 

Though...  I could see that I could have bumped into a submissive and our dynamic could be something like... Him being in a chastity devce 24/7, but I would remove it daily to ride him hard, not allow him to come and then put it back on.  Then down the road, that could all change... who knows.    For Me.. it's all in the dynamics of the relationship, what feels right with a specific person.  Best kind of submissive for Me will have few hard limits and few expectations.... I prefer no course to have to follow... I set it as we sail.

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 9:14:16 AM   
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Well, although I disagree with the definition of sex being used here (I personally see any genital play or anal play as sexual), I'll still answer the best I can.

Sexuality is the biggest aspect, in which I have to be able to do some substantial giving at the expense of my own discomfort. I am perfectly happy with no sex. In fact, I am much happier with no sex. I could merrily live my life without ever doing anything sexual ever again, and not miss it one bit.

BUT, I understand that most of the population of mammals is different from me in this regard. And I understand that there's a 99% chance that any submissive or slave who enters my life will have a sexual drive.

That being said, the first thing I would do is to teach them about asexuality and asexuals. I think it would be important for them to understand me as a full person, and this includes my complete lack of libido.

This would also help with communication because they would understand the terminology I use regarding sexuality. They need to clearly understand that I'm not going to initiate sex with them. Communication is vital because I am not only not a mind-reader, but I also have no conceptual understanding of how their particular sex drive works. How much? How often? To what extent? These are things they have to be able to communicate to me.

It's important that they understand that if and when I do engage in sexual activity with them, it is not because I am "tolerating" it. It is not because I "desire" it. It is simply because I care about them and their needs. And they have to understand that it's not going to be a routine thing they can expect from me, and that it may happen much differently than they had imagined.

As for chastity... I've tried many different aspects of chastity with several different people. In my experience, it really just draws attention back to sexuality. How can you not be thinking about your penis when there's a little cage secured around it rubbing against you all day long? It's kind of like that little game where you tell someone to not think about a white polar bear, and the first thought in their head is a white polar bear. (I also severly hate to see a man sitting down to pee. That holds a high squick factor for me.) The more time & thought I've invested into chastity, the more I've noticed my submissives talking about their sexuality. As if they are living out their sexuality vicariously through language since they can't live it out physically. For me, instead of playing the little chastity device game, it's just easier for all parties to be honest and forthright and lay their needs/wants/frustrations out on the table to their partner.

It would be easiest for me to say that I just prefer my submissives ask to go to the bathroom and relieve themselves when they feel like they need an orgasm, but I also understand that their sexuality is a part of them and they may very well want to share that with me. So I try to accomadate that, the best I can. Normally it would probably end up a situation where they are allowed to masturbate, with me present. I probably wouldn't be too hip on them going to a 3rd party for sexual release. Although I might bend a bit on this depending on how much we've discussed the issue, how involved each party is, etc...

I think the most important thing I would want to instill in them is that the "sacrifice" they feel they are making through extended periods of no sexual interaction, is nothing compared to the "sacrifice" I make each and every time I have that interaction with them. We both have to do a lot of giving in this aspect. (Hence the importance of them learning about asexuality.)

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 9:56:16 AM   
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i have found quite the opposite.

submission to chastity doesn't make them focus on their penis more.. quite the contrary.

it turns their thoughts towards She who holds the key.

and i'm sure all of my fellow dominas that strictly enforce chastity will agree.



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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 10:08:04 AM   
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i agree EBONYFTSHGODDESS. 

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 10:09:33 AM   
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While I may not understand what it is to be a-sexual, I can certainly respect that you are. Your comments all made sense to me, except in your mention of a penis being locked in plastic drawing attention to sexuality.

When a male is "free" and as activities are taking place which he will likely find to be arousing...his having an ongoing erection is going to be something that draws attention to his sexuality, along with giving him the power of having the erection.  However, once placed in chastity... sure at first it calls attention to sexuality, but after a while of being constantly contained... the sexuality is tamed.... his body begins to accept the flaccid state as normal and he is no longer so easily stimulated.  He becomes more docile, more focused on the relationship, and not the orgasm or the hard on.  Everything isn't about sex drive... his drive is purely everything else. 

I am not suggesting that chastity is the right way (though it is for Me) or the only way, but I think that there are some similarities in a male in long-term chastity, and an a-sexual.

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 10:13:23 AM   
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i think that my focus, the times i was in chastity, was much better then when i wasn't.  i know it sounds strange but one always wants what they can't have.

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 10:27:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei
However, once placed in chastity... sure at first it calls attention to sexuality, but after a while of being constantly contained... the sexuality is tamed.... his body begins to accept the flaccid state as normal and he is no longer so easily stimulated. 


This may very well be the key... long term. Maybe I never got past that initial stage of where it does call attention to sexuality, into the stage of acceptance. After 3-6 months of hearing more and more about the frustrations, desires, discomfort, painful erections, etc.... it seemed not worth it. So I fully admit that maybe there is another level of chastity out there that I haven't experienced, in which that preliminary "heightened sexual anstiness" goes away.

Either way, I think I still prefer just open, honest communication about the feelings and desires inside rather than trying to use external materials to curb physical reactions. I'm not knocking anyone's love of chastity devices. I know they're a great part of some people's relationships. I've just found them more an annoyance in my personal experiences.

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 10:38:56 AM   
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I will say people are different.  What works for some doesn't for others. If I was long term in chastity I would become frustrated, distracted, resentful, angry, and very unsubmissive.  Forced long term chastity on me would be like trying to make a dominant into a sub.  It would not work.

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 10:50:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TeeGO

I will say people are different.  What works for some doesn't for others. If I was long term in chastity I would become frustrated, distracted, resentful, angry, and very unsubmissive.  Forced long term chastity on me would be like trying to make a dominant into a sub.  It would not work.


It might not work, but it could be fun to try... <wicked smile>

Actually, I wouldn't take a sub who I knew had your mindset and shove him into a device (though again nice thought ;). )   If I were to decide to proceed with one who thought as you do, I would evaluate him individually, and may well conclude that chastity isn't right for him ... or maybe things would evolve differently...  If I said never very often, I wouldn't have had half the experiences I have. 

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RE: Sex & Submission & Chastity - 4/23/2006 11:05:08 AM   
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TeeGO
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I will say people are different. What works for some doesn't for others. If I was long term in chastity I would become frustrated, distracted, resentful, angry, and very unsubmissive. Forced long term chastity on me would be like trying to make a dominant into a sub. It would not work.


oh trust me.. they're all of those things.. in the BEGINNING.. they just learn to get over it in time.

but then again i'm talking about slaves.. not submissives. slaves expect and welcome chastity. and it's an excellent barometer for weeding the submissives from the slaves.

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Either way, I think I still prefer just open, honest communication about the feelings and desires inside rather than trying to use external materials to curb physical reactions. I'm not knocking anyone's love of chastity devices. I know they're a great part of some people's relationships. I've just found them more an annoyance in my personal experiences.


it's not that we NEED them in chastity due to lack of open honest commucation so we employ the use of a device to assure that. nope. it's another tool (VALUABLE) tool in any domme's repetoire. just like any other prop one uses. it's not that we use chastity as a manner of keeping them from other women solely. it's used to keep them focused on their goal at hand-surrending themselves, their desires, and their bodies to their mistress.






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