RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe

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GotSteel -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 8:16:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata God is private. Some people experience God in their life and in the world. You can argue that "blue" at least correlates with something in the objective world. But they will tell you that God does too, that God correlates with All That Is. You may carefully study the universe and report that you did not find "God" anywhere. But of course, if you carefully examine the electromagnetic spectrum you won't find "blue" anywhere either, just frequencies and amplitudes, and you might well start to think that these people who talk about "blue" are either crazy or just plain lying. So as it seems to me, the real question here, at least if you want to be open minded enough to refrain from consigning half the world to a loony bin out of hand, would be ask, okay, let's say you're telling the truth, is there some way that I can experience this what-ever-it-is that you call "God" too? Who's consigning anyone to the loony bin? I find it completely credible that people are having that internal private experience. I was raised a Congregationalist Christian and there have been studies documenting the existence of that experience. What I find to be unjustified are the assertions about the existence and nature of an external cause for that internal experience.

Rule -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 8:22:55 AM)
What about my bicycle chain lifter hook? That is external.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 11:16:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule What about my bicycle chain lifter hook? That is external. And where is your evidence that it is anything but the awareness that you already noted? Did you ever notice than when you are searching for something, its always in the last place you look? [:D]

mnottertail -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 11:20:51 AM)
Another correllary that should be mentioned...... Do you ever notice that the place you die is the last place you live?

luckydawg -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 12:13:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail But most folks can. This thread is about the existance of God. Not the existance of a Literal Christian God, existing as the Bible says. Look, ucky. exist has a pretty specific meaning. it's one of those words that has necessary and sufficient conditions to EXIST in a sentence. I don't give a good goddamn fuck if your god is unlutheran, unliteral, unchristian, unbible, I am uncaring, the fucking thing don't goddamn exist......... bring the son of a bitch to me.......... game over. Have the fuckhead do something, it is gonna be about as brilliant as the shit you peddle. So, tell me turd peddler, what does this OTHER god do for a living? DUDE, I FIND YOU FUNNY and shit court jester or whatever, but really, you havent said nothing, and never will say nothing of interest to even the most retarded.......take a nap or something, you are really out of your league. Your consession (via insults) is noted.

pogo4pres -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 12:22:12 PM)
Fast Reply, 22 pages of proof that religion is bullshit. Or as the late great George Carlin once put it: “If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little” I miss THAT George. Comically, Some Knucklehead in NJ

mnottertail -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 12:22:16 PM)
there is nothing to conceed, you need to get you some basic comprehension.

luckydawg -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 12:29:36 PM)
But you already did.

mnottertail -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 1:08:25 PM)
no, you did.........at the very outset. quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg That's because disproving every word of the Bible would have absolutly no relevance to the question of whether or not God exists. At all. It logically fails. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail It would (and does) go a long way towards telling you he isn't who he says he is. quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Nope, it doesn't. But you can pretend it does. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail you are pretending it doesn't, why is fantasyland your personal milieu? quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg If you say so. We both know you are NOT going to show a logical proof, demonstrating you are correct. The honest reader can easily see why. third party says somehting about "GOD" Third parties statement was incorrect. Therefore there is no God. Maybe "logic" does work like that in Left Wing pretend land. quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail nope, third party claims there is a god with certain properties. third party is first of all, third party (we have a strawman and red herring already). third party is second of all unable to substantiate or give certainly repeatable (use that as one word, certainly repeatable) aspects of this existence and/or properties. ergo, id est: this god, with these properties, does not exist (exist being something we can exploit in this plane) for, if there is a material object that 'exists' that moves in excess of the speed of light (for example), it is not something that we can interact with, and therefore does not exist, period. ex·ist /ɪgˈzɪst/ –verb (used without object) 1. to have actual being; be: The world exists, whether you like it or not. 2. to have life or animation; live. 3. to continue to be or live: Belief in magic still exists. 4. to have being in a specified place or under certain conditions; be found; occur: Hunger exists in many parts of the world. 5. to achieve the basic needs of existence, as food and shelter: He's not living, he's merely existing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Origin: 1595–1605; < L ex ( s ) istere to exist, appear, emerge, equiv. to ex- ex-1 + sistere to stand Having no sensual aspect of 'being' to affix ourselves to and relate to, it does not exist. It is like the cancer cure that nobody has, di minimous, useless, fughazi, bullshit, and so on, waste of time. god damn! all those aligns to remove. from here you were speechless and started shitting your pants and lying and pretending that you were lying and pretending about something else.

luckydawg -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 2:17:32 PM)
no, all you demonstrated that Luke is not 100% literally correct. You didn't touch on the question of whether or not God exists at all. At all. All you have is rambling about shitting your pants.....It's a consession.

mnottertail -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 2:18:47 PM)
no, where you got to shitting in your pants is absolutely plain for all to see, and there is alot of shit for you to sit in, big boy.

luckydawg -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 2:23:53 PM)
And there is a Dim Dem Athiest on Parade. And an example of what passes for "logic" to them.

pogo4pres -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 3:22:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg And there is a Dim Dem Athiest on Parade. And an example of what passes for "logic" to them. Not my fault you're too fucking stupid to appreciate Carlin's humor, and the simple fact that he was right. Laughingly, Some Knucklehead in NJ

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 4:24:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pogo4pres quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg And there is a Dim Dem Athiest on Parade. And an example of what passes for "logic" to them. Not my fault you're too fucking stupid to appreciate Carlin's humor, and the simple fact that he was right. Laughingly, Some Knucklehead in NJ Carlin stopped being funny in 1971.

ResidentSadist -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 4:37:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule lol. Will your wish be granted? I skipped most of them pages. Perhaps the growing longevity of this thread contrary to prayers is proof there is no God, despite your bicycle chain lifter hook?

Rule -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 8:18:06 PM)
The result of any action required of the Divine depends on the strength of the requirement or determination and the number and strength of the concurring and opposing vectors, perhaps also of future vectors, and the probability range of the ensuing qubit calculation. In short: I have no idea when this thread will end.

gungadin09 -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 8:23:52 PM)
God, to Stephen Hawkin: So what? You did? pam

GotSteel -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 9:02:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys I don't need to verify it. For your assertions to be justified you kind of do actually. jus·ti·fy (jst-f) v. jus·ti·fied, jus·ti·fy·ing, jus·ti·fies v.tr. 1. To demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid: justified each budgetary expense as necessary; anger that is justified by the circumstances.

GotSteel -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 9:06:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gungadin09 God, to Stephen Hawkin: So what? You did? pam If that sort of thing actually happened it would be a whole different story...

pyroaquatic -> RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe (9/27/2010 9:19:34 PM)
This is true. God did not generate the universe. It was the destruction of a godly singularity ripping through all existence that created the universe. All of that energy, released. It does not matter if you are christian, atheist, or other. We are all part of the chain. I think the universe is quite the amazing place of dust.

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