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Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 12:38:11 PM   
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This is question for all the male dominants who identify as straight.

I am a straight male submissive who has shown interest in submitting to a switch couple, the female was a switch and the male was not he was pure dominant.

Now in my discussions with them the male gave me inklings towards me serving him in a sexual way even though I made perfectly clear that I was straight. He also made it clear he was straight to, but went on to talk about it differently.

He talked about it as if it was simply a mechanical, primal need to show dominance over me by making me serve him sexually. I made it clear that I was not at that level of comfortability with men to just let them do that, he made it clear that over time he would disabuse my beliefs. At that point I wished him luck and no harsh feelings but it still made me wonder, was he just in denial about his nature or was there something to what he was saying?

So my question isn't a question it's more of a statement, i'm asking what do you say about this? Any thoughts on something like this? Am I wrong to be wary of an attitude like this or is it common place.

I understand i'm everywhere with this but i'm just unsure of things.

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 1:05:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SubPet715

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I am a straight male submissive who has shown interest in submitting to a switch couple, the female was a switch and the male was not he was pure dominant.

Now in my discussions with them the male gave me inklings towards me serving him in a sexual way even though I made perfectly clear that I was straight. He also made it clear he was straight to, but went on to talk about it differently.


My Sir has a kink/fetish of humiliating straight male subs.  They must be willing subjects and will not cross their very hard limits.  I have had a male sub serve me and Sir at the same time...sucking his cock and my ass.

This does NOT make the sub gay or homosexual, it is just a mindfuck. 

I started a thread on just this topic a while back.  I found it.  You might like to take a look at all the opinions and beliefs in the long thread. 
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He talked about it as if it was simply a mechanical, primal need to show dominance over me by making me serve him sexually. I made it clear that I was not at that level of comfortability with men to just let them do that, he made it clear that over time he would disabuse my beliefs.


This part of your conversation with him I totally disagree with, as would my Sir.  You really need to be into humiliation and / or open to being humiliated without guilt.  You must realize it is a mindfuck and be open to it.



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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 1:12:08 PM   
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Thanks for that I thought I was just being paranoid about it but according to what you're writing it all has to do what I am into and what he is forcing me to be into. I am not truly into humiliation and I made this clear to him but he seemed insistent on pushing his own agenda.

I'm not looking for validation, I simply want to broaden my view of things.

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 1:18:49 PM   
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If you only "submit" how you want, when you want, with whom you want, etc. then you are not really submitting.
Perhaps the problem is that you are self-describing yourself as a 'submissive' when you are not actually 'submissive' but 'passive' or some other term.
Again, maybe you are 'submissive' when it comes to a female dominating you (because this does not threaten your self-image as 'straight'), but you are rebellious when it comes to being submissive to a dominant male.
Some dominant males whom I know have actually very little desire to top a submissive male like you, yet they feel that they NEED to top you sexually in order to establish their dominance and your true submission, at least once.
Even some Female Dominants whom I know have required their straight male submissives to lick the balls of another male sometimes, just to experience true submission.
Don't make more of this than it is.
An occasional use of you, by your Dominant Male, for his sexual pleasure should be expected.
Yes, even a male submissive (like you)  has  the right to refuse sexual practices that are dangerous to your health or which might be illegal; but simply because you find a sexual practice 'intellectually disgusting/repulsive/distasteful' does not allow you to refuse; and, in the 'kinky families' that I know here in Los Angeles, would just bring you a lot of physical punishment & training to bring you to obey and to do as you were told, regardless how you felt 'inside'.


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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 1:47:18 PM   
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I see this is all very enlightening I just did not know what it entailed so I wasn't open to it.

Like I said before I am a novice to a good deal of this, I won't pretend I understand all things and I am open to learning. I guess my main objection came with easing me into the situation, with the right domme I can be made to do many things. This simply felt like too much too fast, I wasn't yet prepared for that and I need to find a domme who understands that I am very much in the beginning stages of my life as a submissive. Not foolish enough to say no limits, not wise enough to open myself immediately to new experiences, still need to be eased into something like this.

Thanks for all of the information it was very enlightening.

Edit: I need to disagree with you on that first sentence.

I know I will not like everything done to me, so the how is true I do not choose how.

When is also true as whomever I am serving chooses when, that is simple because the trust we establish would have allowed me to place that into their care.

With whom, most definitely it is I who choose who I serve, that is just silly to think that I don't have the free will to willingly give myself to a domme I admire and trust enough to trust with my being. If that weren't so I would have given myself up to the first person who asked on CM, that statement is false and I think it needs to be clarified or amended.

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 2:51:50 PM   
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If this dom is both straight and only dominant, then I'd hafta wonder what he personally gets out of a relationship with a straight m/sub.... Maybe they get some sort of domestic service and his switch girl gets an outlet for her other side but that generally leaves him in the grandstands sexually - IF he is straight.

I s'pose getting your dick sucked by another male technically doesn't make you gay or bi, esp if there's no women available (prison, for eg) but since that's not the case, I'd be wary of his real motives.... Personally, if I owned a switch who needed an outlet I couldn't fulfill, I'd first explore the possibility of her domming another female. That would create a clearer and simpler hierarchy where everyone can connect - assuming this magical fem/sub was comfortable being dommed by both male and female alike. And the switch was comfortable domming another female - and sharing her.... Arrggghhhh, what an unlikely mess, let alone adding a *male* sub to the equation...!

This deck has a card missing.... I'd wanna see all the cards on the table before I committed to anything.

Focus.


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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 3:11:06 PM   
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SubPet, you have the best stories...

But yes, this seems to be somewhat aimed at making you uncomfortable on purpose.

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 3:25:22 PM   
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Focus50 - You're not far off, I was to do housework in addition to anything else. My understanding was as you put it, it was my thought that I would be there to be used as the switch wifes outlet, which I was open to and discussing with them. It all just came from left field is my qualm with the situation, it did make me wary of his motives as you said which is why I backed away from that.

Twoshoe - I has the best stories I know :p

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 4:16:11 PM   
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I have come up with an interesting conjecture for you!

How would you feel if you were being submissive to the switch lady and all of a sudden he'd show up asking her to do things for him. Not disrespectfully, but Dominant types tend to show up asking for what they want when they want it. (Like when she's watching you clean the pool.)

In the other thread you said something about feeling "protective".

So maybe the other point of getting you to submit to him is to make you more accepting of his influence on her (as described above).


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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 4:54:27 PM   
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That I have considered and that is why a clear and truthful relationship with a domme is a great thing. It simply goes on a person by person basis, that attitude went with my former domme, it may not transfer to another.

Basically my stances and feelings are not staunch in that they apply to every situation, I try hard to be like water.

Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water. Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water...Bruce Lee

It works well as a philosophy but it difficult to apply to everything.

Short Answer: I have no answer for you, it was that way with my former domme because I was just starting out and we were taking my progress slow. This is what I prefer, so that trust can be built, I wouldn't meet a domme here after a few emails and allow her to blindfold me and do as she would please, it is just common sense and safety. Before it is said yes I know it is about service to my domme but that is why the search is slow and meticulous because needs need to mesh up rather than compromise what either party would want.

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 7:57:09 PM   
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Having you give him oral sex is sexual, no two ways about it. As far as him saying he's still totally straight? Poppycock! If he really was straight then male on male sex would make him uncomfortable. He's bi but doesn't feel comfortable admitting that. So he dresses it up by claiming it's just a dominance display. He could display dominance over you by demanding you clean the floor with a toothbrush. He doesn't have to have sex with you to be dominant.

You know who you are and what does and doesn't work for you, pity he can't admit the same.


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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 8:21:29 PM   
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sounds like a closet bisexual to me. <shrug>


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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 9:52:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SubPet715

This is question for all the male dominants who identify as straight.

I am a straight male submissive who has shown interest in submitting to a switch couple, the female was a switch and the male was not he was pure dominant.

Now in my discussions with them the male gave me inklings towards me serving him in a sexual way even though I made perfectly clear that I was straight. He also made it clear he was straight to, but went on to talk about it differently.

He talked about it as if it was simply a mechanical, primal need to show dominance over me by making me serve him sexually. I made it clear that I was not at that level of comfortability with men to just let them do that, he made it clear that over time he would disabuse my beliefs. At that point I wished him luck and no harsh feelings but it still made me wonder, was he just in denial about his nature or was there something to what he was saying?

So my question isn't a question it's more of a statement, i'm asking what do you say about this? Any thoughts on something like this? Am I wrong to be wary of an attitude like this or is it common place.

I understand i'm everywhere with this but i'm just unsure of things.


As a heterosexual man I have no desire to engage in sexual activity with men whatsoever even if there is a female involved. To be quite frank with you, for myself I find the thought of male to male sexual activity altogether repulsive. If this man you refer to desires sex with men then he surely can find plenty bi-sexual men willing to engage as he desires. Clearly it sounds like you have NO desire to engage sexually with a man. Obviously just because you relate to being submissive to women does not mean that you will do what every woman commands of you and surely not what men command of you, especially when engaging sexually is the command.

I have men friends that are homosexual and bi-sexual but that is where the line is drawn. Friendship! I have always felt a repulsion when thinking of engaging in any form of sexual activity with men for myself. My dominance does not have to be displayed or expressed in sexual manners with a male where a female was involved or not to know that I am a dominant heterosexual man, period! There is without a doubt a multitude of ways to dominate another that excludes sexual contact.

I encourage you to not allow yourself to do anything that you know within yourself to not be the right action for you to engage in. Regardless what others might say, I believe that a limit is a limit. To push past a limit such as male to male sex for yourself might full well be a solid NO. If this is your limit then enforce it without shame. I say, Let your NO be NO and your YES be YES! No less!

Take care!

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 10:24:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SubPet715
He talked about it as if it was simply a mechanical, primal need to show dominance over me by making me serve him sexually. I made it clear that I was not at that level of comfortability with men to just let them do that, he made it clear that over time he would disabuse my beliefs.



Ever been in a Turkish prison, Jimmy?

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/4/2010 11:41:01 PM   
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Do you like gladiators billy? Airplane reference is not lost on me...

As for what everyone is writing, it is helpful indeed. I was not looking for affirmation to my own feelings but I must admit it is nice to have, it makes me feel much less crazy about the situation.

What that had done was made me question my status as a submissive, because I did not...submit. But I know much more about the nature of a submissive to know it does not mean anywhere/anyone/anytime, it pretty much states the opposite of that.

Again thank you all for the well thought out responses and affirmation it is a nice side effect to my query.

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/5/2010 4:40:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DePubed

If you only "submit" how you want, when you want, with whom you want, etc. then you are not really submitting.
So to be a true submissive, you should submit to anything by anyone who walks up and tells you to? That may be your definition of a submissive, but I think you will find most people only submit to the people they are already in a relationship with.

Perhaps the problem is that you are self-describing yourself as a 'submissive' when you are not actually 'submissive' but 'passive' or some other term.
Again, maybe you are 'submissive' when it comes to a female dominating you (because this does not threaten your self-image as 'straight'), but you are rebellious when it comes to being submissive to a dominant male.
Some dominant males whom I know have actually very little desire to top a submissive male like you, yet they feel that they NEED to top you sexually in order to establish their dominance and your true submission, at least once.
Perhaps the problem is that you are describing them as dominant males when they are really just horny men looking for a hole to stick their dicks.

Even some Female Dominants whom I know have required their straight male submissives to lick the balls of another male sometimes, just to experience true submission.
I know females who enjoy forcing men to play with other men. They NEVER do this unless the sub in question has already agreed to it.

Don't make more of this than it is.
An occasional use of you, by your Dominant Male, for his sexual pleasure should be expected.
Yes, even a male submissive (like you)  has  the right to refuse sexual practices that are dangerous to your health or which might be illegal; but simply because you find a sexual practice 'intellectually disgusting/repulsive/distasteful' does not allow you to refuse; and, in the 'kinky families' that I know here in Los Angeles, would just bring you a lot of physical punishment & training to bring you to obey and to do as you were told, regardless how you felt 'inside'.
Actually, I have the right to refuse to do anything I don't want to do. It may limit the field of prospective dommes, but that doesn't mean I can't do it.




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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/5/2010 4:47:52 AM   
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quote:

What that had done was made me question my status as a submissive, because I did not...submit.


Until you get into a relationship with someone, you don't have to submit. If you are talking to someone who say's he is going to want you to do things that you feel uncomfortable with, then you say so and move on to the next one. Be patient until you meet the person you are compatible with and then have fun with it. The best way I have found to meet new people is to go to an event or party and then volunteer to help out. Dommes just love a good volunteer.


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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/5/2010 5:56:40 AM   
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So my question isn't a question it's more of a statement, i'm asking what do you say about this? Any thoughts on something like this? Am I wrong to be wary of an attitude like this or is it common place.

No, that's generally not how humans establish a pecking order. It sounds like you were talking to someone who had not come out of the closet to himself yet. I'd also say that regardless of how common or uncommon that attitude might be you are correct to be wary of it, it clearly involves doing things that you don't want to do.

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/5/2010 6:02:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DePubed
An occasional use of you, by your Dominant Male, for his sexual pleasure should be expected.
Yes, even a male submissive (like you)  has  the right to refuse sexual practices that are dangerous to your health or which might be illegal; but simply because you find a sexual practice 'intellectually disgusting/repulsive/distasteful' does not allow you to refuse; and, in the 'kinky families' that I know here in Los Angeles, would just bring you a lot of physical punishment & training to bring you to obey and to do as you were told, regardless how you felt 'inside'.


I hope that's code for "forced" role-playing is a kink of yours because otherwise that doesn't sound at all healthy.

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RE: Topping A Straight Sub - 9/5/2010 6:53:54 AM   
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her husband is lying to himself and you; end of story.

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