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i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 2:00:52 PM   
SecretTemptation


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recently decided to try out my domme side a bit more , well not much experience of it up to now but liked the bit i did, anyway, have uttered those words soooo many times in my life - i will do anything you want-and now when i hear them spoken to me i have started to wonder about the nature of submission , does the sub really have the true power as i am very conscious of working to his limits, maybe i am just too much of a sub myself ,
omg am soooooo confused by it all
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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 2:24:07 PM   
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I looked at your profile.  Every single one of your interests is related to play.  Are you looking for a submissive, with an attendant relationship, or a submissive play partner that you Top?




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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 2:37:09 PM   
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the latter

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 3:04:16 PM   
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I can only speculate about how it feels to be submissive vs dominant. I believe I could emulate it but that's like acting.

Honestly, all you need to do is focus onto whatever self-directedness and willingness to control you do have and decide to do whatever makes you happy. I don't see any reason why that shouldn't include making your submissive happy, respecting their limits, paying attention to them or to something else, etc.

I think I'm a good example because I like seeing happy people so I'll generally try to make them happy. I have little desire to please anyone and you could say I'm doing it for selfish reasons. My priority is always making myself happy first.

For me, the main difference is in the timing as opposed to what specifically is happening.
For example: I'll happy walk with you in the park but only when I want to. That could be immediately, it could be tommorow.

+ Power is an illusion - always. It works best when it isn't being questionned.
Usually, people give you power over them and then you can let them know what you're expecting them to do.
Were you hoping power is something that you magically assume over things by staring at them?

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 3:21:12 PM   
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+ Power is an illusion - always. It works best when it isn't being questionned.
Usually, people give you power over them and then you can let them know what you're expecting them to do.
Were you hoping power is something that you magically assume over things by staring at them?
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wow, sweetie you have given me valuable insight , am always compelled to please people so hard to put myself first , keep forgetting to put me first,probably what is attracting me to try out my other side

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 5:08:23 PM   
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quote:

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+ Power is an illusion - always. It works best when it isn't being questionned.

THIS. And not this *laughs*

I do not agree that power is an illusion exactly. I think it's an imprecise word when used to describe the interactions between humans. In truth, I don't really understand either the word "power" or "control". What I have is dominance from which leads to influence which leads to authority... those things I can define. But I cannot MAKE Carol do anything. OK, perhaps if I tied her up against her will I could make her do something... but that would only last until I was hauled off to prison.


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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 6:05:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

+ Power is an illusion - always. It works best when it isn't being questionned.
Usually, people give you power over them and then you can let them know what you're expecting them to do.


I really like this. Even the most powerful people in the world are there because those around them allow to be. They are elected, their people obey the laws set out or, in some cases, they haven't been betrayed by their inner circle and shot.

Think of how many powerful rulers have been removed from power - either forced out or killed. So much power and it all comes down to what the people around them are willing to allow. The reasons why it's allowed vary, just as they do in power dynamics.

Athough, for relationships, the cynical side of me says that whoever is most willing to call it quits has the real power.

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 6:25:43 PM   
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Athough, for relationships, the cynical side of me says that whoever is most willing to call it quits has the real power.
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have been pondering on that myself, its like watching tv , its not all  about who has the remote control as long as i am happy watching whats on,   well  i suppose its helped me make my mind up what to do, time to get me some rope and tie up that lovely creature so i can have my wicked way with him, who cares who has the power as long as we have fun

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 8:09:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SecretTemptation


well  i suppose its helped me make my mind up what to do, time to get me some rope and tie up that lovely creature so i can have my wicked way with him, who cares who has the power as long as we have fun


I approve of this!


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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 8:31:05 PM   
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I approve of this!
LOL - Yeah, me too.


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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/10/2010 9:34:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SecretTemptation

i have uttered those words soooo many times in my life and now when i hear them spoken to me i have started to wonder about the nature of submission , does the sub really have the true power
omg am soooooo confused by it all


i may be starting a controversy here, but i believe the division of power is about equal between Dom and sub. The D/s relationship reminds me of the employer/employee relationship. Only one person has the AUTHORITY, but they both have a certain degree of power. If i displease my boss he/she can fire me, and if he/she displeases me, i can quit. As long as we both value each other, then we do this little dance of trying to get what we want for ourselves while still aiming to keep the other person happy. We calculate: what are we getting out of the relationship versus what we are giving up; and whether we would be likely to do better with someone else. i hate to sound cynical, but i believe that is true to some degree for ALL human relationships. EVERY relationship is based on self interest to some extent.

If you're talking about a romantic relationship, it gets even more complicated, because there are FEELINGS involved. Love, attachment, desire, friendship, trust; you start to NEED this person in your life, and from that point on there's all these bonds connecting you. Those bonds are very painful to break, and if it's a strong relationship, then both people feel a "pull" from the other person . The sub especially feels this "pull", in the form of a strong desire to please the Dominant, but if it's a caring relationship then i think they both feel it. My idea of a healthy D/s relationship is one where the Dominant and the submissive both "need" each other, although it's clear who's in charge.

If you're talking about a play partner, then i think your simple, cynical statement is the most correct. The one with the power is the one who's most ready to walk.

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/11/2010 12:28:52 AM   
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Okay, i take it back. Not ALL relationships are based on a give and take. i'm sure there are slaves out there who are ready to do absolutely anything for their Masters, and Masters who take whatever they want from their slaves, without thinking twice. i'm sure that people like that exist, although i've never met them. But i think that for most relationships there is a limit, for both parties, on what each person is willing to do.

i guess i'm not that hardcore. i've felt very submissive at times, but never so much that i would have "done anything you want". No matter how Dominant You are, i still feel like i have to get SOMETHING out of the relationship. Normally that "something" would be affection, the feeling of being valued, or at least the opportunity to cross paths with Someone whose character is superior to my own; someone who will make me into a better person. i dunno. Call me selfish.

i love these little philosophical debates. But, in the end, does it really matter who has the "power", as long as you are both having fun?

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/11/2010 12:40:26 AM   
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Where's Aqua when you need her?  Her sig line says it all.... I'm going to find it.

edited to add...

Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different.-Val

Hope she doesn't mind I borrowed this. *smooches to Aqua*

< Message edited by sophiesback -- 9/11/2010 12:43:36 AM >


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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/11/2010 12:42:00 AM   
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i love these little philosophical debates. But, in the end, does it really matter who has the "power", as long as you are both having fun?
I think it matters a great deal to those who are not currently in satisfying relationships. If I even tried to have this discussion with Carol I'm certain we'd both be on the floor howling in laughter. Maybe tomorrow morning when we wake up I'll tell her, "Mine, I've thought about it long and hard overnight and I've decided you should have all the power in this relationship. Tada." I can't, for the life of me, figure out what that declaration would change. Like what? She's going to start bossing me around? She's a sub for crying out loud. She doesn't LIKE bossing people around.

Actually, as I think on it, almost for certain what would happen is she'd check to make sure I was serious. Then she'd be horribly confused. Finally, she'd say something like, "So what do you want me to do with this power?"

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/11/2010 4:50:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sophiesback

Where's Aqua when you need her?  Her sig line says it all.... I'm going to find it.

edited to add...

Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different.-Val

Hope she doesn't mind I borrowed this. *smooches to Aqua*


*giggles and points up*

*smooches*

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Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different.-Val

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/11/2010 12:35:57 PM   
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Both parties hold the power in the relationship. You cannot be dominant to the kitchen sink, you need a submissive. You cannot submit to the kitchen sink either, you need a dominant. It's a relationship. It works as long as both people are happy and want to stay in it.

Beyond that, wanting to do stuff that your sub likes so they smile and are happy does not make you submissive, it makes you someone who prefers a happy partner.


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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/11/2010 1:55:00 PM   
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u need a solid master

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/11/2010 6:23:28 PM   
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The mental visual of someone kneeling to their kitchen sink made me giggle. Thanks for that. :)

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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/14/2010 6:39:35 AM   
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Personally, I don't feel that it has anything to do with 'doing whatever the owner wants'.

It has everything to do with trusting in the person who is guiding you.


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RE: i will do anything you want - 9/14/2010 7:49:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Athough, for relationships, the cynical side of me says that whoever is most willing to call it quits has the real power.


I've actually never really agreed with that sentiment.  I think it's only true if the relationship is based on the threat of someone leaving. If both are in it and committed for the long haul, then no one thinks about leaving and the power is based on something else, entirely.  Likely it's the connection between the people involved, and the energy that flows between them.

I have my own personal power.  I give it to him though, in our relationship and he uses it as he sees fit. We both have power, but I yield mine to his.  We both could call it quits, but why would we want to, when things are going so well?  So that doesn't factor into the power equation for us.


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