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phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 2:42:08 PM)
weather submission is a gift is a seperate issue but for me trust has to be there fully to offer submission without trust i couldnt submit

Rochsub2009 -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 2:44:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: phoenixmoonn13 weather submission is a gift is a seperate issue but for me trust has to be there fully to offer submission without trust i couldnt submit I agree with that.

rednicky -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 2:53:43 PM)
hardcybermaster hates us all [8\|]

hardcybermaster -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:12:21 PM)
rednicky I hope you are joking,it was not my intention to offend. vaguelycurious says trust is a necessary condition of submission it is not a sufficient one-there needs to be something else there. That's basic logic. And if someone wants to call that extra bit if themselves a gift, who on earth do you think you are to argue? could someone tell me what the "extra" is? I assume it is their submissiveness.Well they are submissive so they are doing what they love or need,does that mean that someone who likes anal is giving the gift of ass? Basic logic

VaguelyCurious -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:28:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster could someone tell me what the "extra" is? I assume it is their submissiveness.Well they are submissive so they are doing what they love or need,does that mean that someone who likes anal is giving the gift of ass? Basic logic Have you never been in any kind of relationship? There's more to a relationship than just trust, and there's more to a person than their generic 'submissiveness'. I don't think I have the energy for this conversation. Pretend I didn't say anything in the first place.

hardcybermaster -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:37:41 PM)
I am in a loving D/s relationship and have been for 5 years,what is the mysterious extra you talk about?I wouldn't ask if it weren't for the "who the hell are you" nature of your original reply. I like to hold hands,will you accept the gift of my hand?

Jeffff -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:43:09 PM)
What about the gift of my dominance?

juliaoceania -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:44:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff What about the gift of my dominance? What is this gift wrapped in?

hardcybermaster -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:45:22 PM)
thats a different post altogether..... THATS A DIFFERENT POST the old one's are the best

NuevaVida -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:45:26 PM)
The only gifts we give each other is on our birthdays and other occasions. Who we are and being true to who we are, fits us very nicely together. His dominance and my submission compliment each other. We trust each other because we took the time to get to know each others character and intentions, and they blended well. There is no gift. We're just living in a very compatible relationship with each other, grateful to be with someone who is such a good match. We are both fulfilled and appreciative.

Jeffff -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:47:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff What about the gift of my dominance? What is this gift wrapped in? The skin of a previous submissive............ Oops, I probably should have kept that quite, huh?

juliaoceania -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:50:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff What about the gift of my dominance? What is this gift wrapped in? The skin of a previous submissive............ Oops, I probably should have kept that quite, huh? So Hannibal Lecture-ish.....

hardcybermaster -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:50:19 PM)
hooray,at last a sensible answer not full of psuedo psychology or warped logic!

laurell3 -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:54:14 PM)
Neither one of those are a gift. Both are the natural progression of a relationship when it works well. I know many want to think that bdsm makes us special, but it doesn't.

hardcybermaster -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 3:58:09 PM)
well said

frazzle -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 4:35:48 PM)
Gifts of any sort should be given with no expectations. Submitting or "trusting" come wth an expectation of something back.

AquaticSub -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 5:00:03 PM)
~Fast Reply~ sighs Threads like this make me relucant to say that I do view submission as a gift. I also view his dominance as a gift. His presence in my life is a gift. My friends are gifts, my time with my pets are gifts to me. Not every gift comes in a box - I'd say taking a sick child to Disney World or fulfilling another wish is a gift too but you can't fit that in a box. Even the Webster defination of "gift" has nothing that specifically says "box" or that the gift has to be given without conditions - simply that it's "voluntarily transferred by one person to another without compensation". I give Valyraen, my friends, and my family myself and my time. I expect them to take care of it the same as if I gave them a pet - which also doesn't fit in a box but is in line with the defination of "giving". If they fail to take care of it, I either remove it or call animal control on them. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gift

leadership527 -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 5:02:20 PM)
Carol herself is a "gift". I could've never in a bajillion years deserved her. The universe gave me a gift. Her submission is not a gift... it's just her.

AquaticSub -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 5:04:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 Carol herself is a "gift". I could've never in a bajillion years deserved her. The universe gave me a gift. Her submission is not a gift... it's just her. I disagree. I view all parts of him as a gift. Who knows what could be different if his life had gone differently? That he is as he is and loves me... each and every part of him is a gift I cherish.

juliaoceania -> RE: gift of submission? (9/11/2010 5:14:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub ~Fast Reply~ sighs Threads like this make me relucant to say that I do view submission as a gift. I also view his dominance as a gift. His presence in my life is a gift. My friends are gifts, my time with my pets are gifts to me. Not every gift comes in a box - I'd say taking a sick child to Disney World or fulfilling another wish is a gift too but you can't fit that in a box. Even the Webster defination of "gift" has nothing that specifically says "box" or that the gift has to be given without conditions - simply that it's "voluntarily transferred by one person to another without compensation". I give Valyraen, my friends, and my family myself and my time. I expect them to take care of it the same as if I gave them a pet - which also doesn't fit in a box but is in line with the defination of "giving". If they fail to take care of it, I either remove it or call animal control on them. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gift Would it make you feel any better at all if I said I agree with you... Every day is a gift.

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