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PeonForHer -> RE: gift of submission? (9/12/2010 6:40:46 PM)

FR,

Aaaah, the gift of submission and the gift of dominance . . . .

I don't see that D/s is any different to love between vanilla partners in this respect.   If I love someone, that person may feel this love from me to be a gift to her.  But if *I* feel it to be a gift to her . . . then it's not the love that I've made it out to be. 




Twoshoes -> RE: gift of submission? (9/12/2010 6:58:43 PM)

Peon's bacK!
Hi.




PeonForHer -> RE: gift of submission? (9/12/2010 7:42:25 PM)

Hi, Mr Twoshoes!




porcelaine -> RE: gift of submission? (9/12/2010 10:34:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Sometimes getting nothing is the best possible gift. [;)]



If you don't want it does that count? [:D]

~porcelaine




CaringandReal -> RE: gift of submission? (9/13/2010 4:52:00 AM)

I don't see submission as a gift. And not just because doing so would negate everything that's absolutely hot about bdsm... although it would ...for me. ...of course. Calling it a gift would be a very dishonest thing for me to do, because I get such intense pleasure and satisfaction out of my role. Submission is 90% self-serving ...for me. ...of course. In the other 10% lies something else, perhaps. But calling this pleasurable and fulfilling self-service a "gift" to someone else seems bizarrely backward to me.

Rather, I see their dominance as a gift--to me. What does a dominant give me? Oh, just the opportunity to be myself, fully, that's all. Yes, a dominant usually dominates for the same reason that I submit: it's his or her nature and it is naturally self-serving for him to do so, but I feel so very, very appreciative when he does what he does to to me, it gives me so much of what I need that, if there is any creedence to the concept that one end of a control relationship is a gift, then from my perspective their end is where the gift comes from.

The kind of relationships I find myself in involve a great deal of coercion, sometimes subtle, sometimes not. Coercion is hot. Nothing hotter (chorus: for me... etc.) In a relationship where coercion is a regular practice, there isn't a lot of room for gift-giving. It's hard for me to imagine ever having the gall to tell anyone I've been involved with in this way that my submission is a gift except in the most joking fashion possible. (Even so, such a joke mightcause me to deeply regret my words, even if we both knew it was joking. It's the principle of the thing, you know? :p)

So yes, realities differ on this subject. The fatal mistake some us make is in assuming that our reality is _the_ reality and those with another perspective are just confused and deluded, the poor dears. I think as long as you don't make that mistake, your mind hasn't totally turned to mush.




NuevaVida -> RE: gift of submission? (9/13/2010 6:15:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: porcelaine

quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Sometimes getting nothing is the best possible gift. [;)]



If you don't want it does that count? [:D]

~porcelaine


Well then you can re-gift it. [;)]




porcelaine -> RE: gift of submission? (9/14/2010 5:32:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Well then you can re-gift it. [;)]



*lol* That's priceless. :)






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