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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/17/2010 4:22:47 PM   
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I suppose you never form opinions of those with whom you are conversing through the forums.


I never denied that I did. But you were the one making such accusations that an argument is weak to form such personal opinions.

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Ah.  So you do form opinions of others from what they write, but you don't want people to do that in your case.


Haha nice try. Again, as I said above, I never denied that I do. However, my last responses to you and SpiritedRadiance was simply explanations from what you and her were firing at me. I can see your little game here, you are hoping people are short-sighted. I was pointing out your hypocrisy to begin with and now you are trying to change our positions and reflect your own act of hypocrisy to begin with back onto me.

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Please feel free to look in the dictionary for the two different terms "suggestion" and "lecture".  You will find that they are not synonyms.


Think what you want. It's still giving me a lecture as it's still condescending speech telling me that I should be doing this or that rather than what I am doing now.

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Volunteering your time is different than making a financial donation.  Volunteering your time will not cost you anything except for travel expenses to the location that you choose to volunteer.  You may even be able to cut that down if you share rides with another volunteer.  It may be a great way for you to contribute.


That's if there IS a man's shelter for DV in Brisbane.

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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/17/2010 4:43:44 PM   
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Here's someplace to start.  It does specify Brisbane.
DV Connect Mensline
Ph. 1800 600 636 counselling, support, information - 7am - midnight, 7 days a week.
Website: www.dvconnect.org




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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/17/2010 5:42:39 PM   
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It's nice to see at least a phone service where men can talk about their problems. But that really doesn't do much help or any at all in many cases. But there is a difference. Look at the services page...

http://www.dvconnect.org/about/dvconnect.asp#Services

With the "dvconnect womensline" section, it offers a number of services that’s not provided with the "dvconnect mensline". Including shelter services.

But anyway, I still don't understand why people always bring these types of things up when ever a man points out the lack of services for men when it comes to DV. I can see what people like you are trying to do; you are trying to place the blame or guilt on men like me in the attempt to silence the complaint. I don't see you suggesting the same to other women who simply have a complaint about DV against women. Obviously because you are not trying to intimidate/blame/silence the women who also simply have a complaint to make about the DV situation. If I was to throw this type of tactic at women whenever they expressed a voice about DV, I would likely get accused of being sexist because I am blaming all the problems on women.

It's not my fault that governments are less willing to throw in the same amount of dollars to help the situation with men. Most men have jobs of their own that they need to worry about with little spare time besides their jobs. It would be nice if more men could be employed in this field. But where would the money come from? We don't get a billion dollars a year for that.








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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/17/2010 7:25:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Aylee, I am sure the same argument would fit well towards a race who are the minority of victims. Don't you think?


That is the way that it works.  It is the reason that you have things like scholarships for minorities alone but none for exclusively white males.  So your argument makes no sense.

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Even that men are not the minority of victims


Because they are the minority of victims of domestic violence they receive a smaller share of all of the resources that go to domestic violence victims.  It is really a supply and demand issue. 
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but only stats that favour a feminist agenda are acknowledged.

Oh my.  Feminist agenda.   When do I receive a copy of this?  You are aware that there are as many types of feminist as there are Christian sects, right?  Feminists do not have a single Dear Leader that all women fall into Goose step behind. 
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And even that men are human beings who have feelings to.


Has someone denied this to you? 
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But sheesh, let's be bigots and have a womanfirstism agenda.


As opposed to a menfirstism agenda? 
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Overall, I am not quite sure how this is going to make anything better for anyone.


Chuckles… do you even know what you are saying?

Yes I do.  I am saying that denying services to a percentage of women because there are not as many men needing that same type of service is not going to do anything to make the world more equitable for anyone. 

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You obviously want it better for women while you don't give a flying fuck about men.

You are right.  That whole only making 76 cents on the dollar compared to men is enough to frost me.  However, I do not waste my time whinging about it on a message board.  Victim-hood is not a costume donned to gain positive attention. 
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 Us silly men, our issues are not important.

What is your issue and what are you doing about it.  What made you think choosing the path of self-determination was going to be the easy one? This is going to be painful for you. It isn't all spewing poisoned pen notes about your victimized past, sure THAT is easy. What's hard is building a life, and changing yourself. Not society. You. Have. To. Change.

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But that attitude is not surprising.

Yes, personal responsibility is so passé.
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It's the political correct norm.


Hell hath no fury like a Heartless Bitch forced to listen (yet again) to the sighs and moans of another human being complaining about how insurmountable their problems are when they should be out there actually doing something to solve them!

Put your balls in your pants and USE THEM!








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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/17/2010 10:31:26 PM   
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Aylee

Heh You truly have a sad simplistic little mind.

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That is the way that it works.  It is the reason that you have things like scholarships for minorities alone but none for exclusively white males.  So your argument makes no sense.


Your reply absolutely makes no sense. Face it, if we gave Asians less consideration because they were the minority of victims compared to whites, people would be expressing racism loud and clear. Stop side stepping the truth.

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Because they are the minority of victims of domestic violence they receive a smaller share of all of the resources that go to domestic violence victims.  It is really a supply and demand issue.


No, they are not the minority. But that's beside the point. Forget about which gender gets victimised the most for a minute. If men are or not the minority, either way, they are still human beings and deserve equal consideration for being human beings. Men are not lesser human beings than women. Stop acting like a selfish little bigot brat. Your sexist argument is basically saying that male victims should get treated as lesser human beings because there are more female victims than male. Even that this so called fact of yours has nothing to do with male victims and are not the fault of male victims or any male who is not an abuser. This points out how truly pathetic your argument is. But this is what you expect from a small unfortunate mind that can't think outside the box.

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You are aware that there are as many types of feminist as there are Christian sects, right?  Feminists do not have a single Dear Leader that all women fall into Goose step behind.


Yes I am, unfortunately many feminists regardless of type are extreme bigots. That's why they call themselves feminists instead of humanists.

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Has someone denied this to you? 


Not in direct exact words but their attitudes towards it definitely swings this way. Such as yours. As you think men are less important than women.

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Yes I do.  I am saying that denying services to a percentage of women because there are not as many men needing that same type of service is not going to do anything to make the world more equitable for anyone.


You definitely don't know what you are talking about when you say such rubbish like this. Eqality means equality, it doesn't mean preferential treatment for women. Equality means equal treatment for men and women. I am sorry that your intelligence can't comprehend this simple maths.

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You are right.  That whole only making 76 cents on the dollar compared to men is enough to frost me.  However, I do not waste my time whinging about it on a message board.  Victim-hood is not a costume donned to gain positive attention.


Hey look, you are complaining about the wage gap. Why don't you do something about it? Stop whining! heh.

You see, this thread was made to make a joke and also point out how ridiculous 21st century feminism is. But the topic totally changed to DV. I didn't intend this thread to swing this way. However, I have simply kept on answering replies people have fired at me. Way back on page 1, I just simply mentioned the DV problem, just like how you are just simply mentioning the wage gap problem through conversation. But when I did mention the DV problem, one thing led to another and then it all blew out in a total war. If people didn't keep firing post at me, this certain discussion on DV would have ended a long time ago. There is a difference to simply just whine than there is to keep opposing to what others are saying to me. It's called argument. A few women in here have told sad stories about DV against women, I don't see you calling them whiners. But we all know there is a double standard with that, even that you and many will be in denial about.

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What is your issue and what are you doing about it.  What made you think choosing the path of self-determination was going to be the easy one? This is going to be painful for you. It isn't all spewing poisoned pen notes about your victimized past, sure THAT is easy. What's hard is building a life, and changing yourself. Not society. You. Have. To. Change.


WTF, I have to change? What on earth are you on about? Sexism against men has to change. Your sexist attitude has to change. DV is not an issue that's emotionally affecting me. I have been slapped once and only once but whoppydoo, that's not going to emotionally damage me. Partly to what you just said, I just got asked this same question and answered it in my last post. Yet my answer keeps getting ignored and I just keep getting asked again. Think about what I am saying. I feel that women such as your self just use this as another weakass tactic in the attempt to shut down the man exposing the obvious discrimination and sexism against men. This tactic is used to veer away from focusing on sexist attitudes such as yours which are partly the cause of the problem.

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Yes, personal responsibility is so passé.


I am not responsible for the sexist attitudes of others.

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Hell hath no fury like a Heartless Bitch forced to listen (yet again) to the sighs and moans of another human being complaining about how insurmountable their problems are when they should be out there actually doing something to solve them!


As I have been explaining, there really isn’t anything I can do about this. I have a job and I need to take the responsibility to keep myself living. If I was employed to help male DV victims, why not. But wheres the tax payers money? Someone with power can only make such changes, not the average man. Secondly, why aren't you also telling this to women who also express feelings towards DV against women? Yes, double standards. When ever I ask this question, it never gets answered. I wonder why. Because it would be deemed as sexist to place such blame on women who express their feelings but not when its the other way around. But what else can you expect from shameless hypocritical bigots.

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Put your balls in your pants and USE THEM!


ha! the same old childish shaming tactic when ever a man speaks up for his gender. The irony to this childish shaming tactic is that men do have balls when they speak up towards something that will cause public attack towards them. But they have the balls to do it anyway without caring what a group of bigoted little brats like you think.

I think this discussion is just going around circles now. I don't know if I am going to bother replying further as its not much different talking to a brick wall.
























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Put up or shut the fuck up because your whining is just... - 9/18/2010 12:36:12 AM   
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nick,

I work 60 hours a week spend 12 hours a week in physical therapy in to heal my knee and STILL FIND TIME TO GO TO THE LOCAL SHELTERS AND VOLUNTEER.

so dont pull this I have to work and im so sad because of it thats why i cant help. If its truly something you give a flying fuck about you make time for it. Can I go every week, no, Can I do as much as i want, no, but do i still find time when the week is a little short to help out when i can. you bet cha

Heres the deal put up our shut the fuck up, either do something to be part of the change of DV AS A WHOLE not just the poor menz that are being slapped across the face once, but then men who cant even spend a dime of their own money because the woman has complete control of everything when not in a Ds relationship,

Or the women who are facing the same. Youve spent at least 3 to 4 hours typing and reading responses to this thread whining that nothings ever done, instead put that 3 to 4 hours in to answering phones at a local shelter, be it homeless or be it dv dont separate it out and say oh i dont want to help women they get enough help, youll be thrown out of the shelter because dv against women and dv against men doesnt matter to most in the shelter its dv against people that they care about.

Heres the deal money goes to where its needed and until men in and say my name is Nick and Im a DV victim and need a safe play to stay... until they come fourth and try to change their situation for themselves they wont give money towards a cause they dont feel needs it.

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RE: Put up or shut the fuck up because your whining is ... - 9/18/2010 12:56:50 AM   
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