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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

No link found between vaccine mercury and autism
Mon Sep 13, 3:38 am ET


NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – A new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism.

It shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition.

"This study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said Dr. Frank Destefano, director of the Immunization Safety Office at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, and the study's senior author.

Concerns about a link between vaccines and autism were first raised more than a decade ago by British physician Andrew Wakefield.

His report, based on 12 children, has since been discredited and was retracted earlier this year by the journal that published it.
In the meantime, it sparked a fierce worldwide debate among scientists and a health scare that caused many parents to shy away from recommended vaccines like the one against measles, mumps and rubella.

Outbreaks of all three diseases followed.

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ORIGINAL: Bootstraps

All it takes is a few triggers to push the autism button. Until you experience it yourself and witness it there will always be someone tsk, tsking parents for what they know and have experienced.

Want to call the vaccine "myth" a coincidence, fine. Bottom line is you got a country full of kids with autism. Mine is one of them....similar to the above post vaccine.  No screaming just pretty much went from smiling happy, chatty 16 month old to non responsive toddler with in a couple days post vaccines.

Lots of those kids on pharmaceuticals...now must be a cash crop for pharma.

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

If there's no link, how did these parents win this lawsuit? The fact that they were able to do so suggests that there is enough evidence of a link between autism and thimerosal (mercury).

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

If there's no link, how did these parents win this lawsuit? The fact that they were able to do so suggests that there is enough evidence of a link between autism and thimerosal (mercury).

Not necessarily. Just means the jury was swayed by a good lawyer. Most people aren't able to really focus on long statistical data. But a parent crying over what her child is suffering does get their focus.

An Israeli study found the greatest link to be advanced paternal age. If the father is older, the children have higher rates of autism. So who do you sue then?

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Ok, since it was a proven link and then an attempted cover-up I guess you are not going to have any trouble citing that for us.

In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. [in] complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer [....] There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left. (Kennedy)

Instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line.

The CDC paid the Institute of Medicine to conduct a new study to whitewash the risks of thimerosal, ordering researchers to "rule out" the chemical's link to autism. It withheld [the study's] findings, even though they had been slated for immediate publication, and told other scientists that [the] original data had been "lost" and could not be replicated. And to thwart the Freedom of Information Act, it handed its giant database of vaccine records over to a private company, declaring it off-limits to researchers. (Kennedy)

In April, reporter Dan Olmsted of UPI undertook one of the more interesting studies himself. Searching for children who had not been exposed to mercury in vaccines -- the kind of population that scientists typically use as a "control" in experiments -- Olmsted scoured the Amish of Lancaster County, Penn., who refuse to immunize their infants. Given the national rate of autism, Olmsted calculated that there should be 130 autistics among the Amish. He found only four. One had been exposed to high levels of mercury from a power plant. The other three -- including one child adopted from outside the Amish community -- had received their vaccines. (Kennedy)


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

If there's no link, how did these parents win this lawsuit? The fact that they were able to do so suggests that there is enough evidence of a link between autism and thimerosal (mercury).

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

If there's no link, how did these parents win this lawsuit? The fact that they were able to do so suggests that there is enough evidence of a link between autism and thimerosal (mercury).

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
She is a registered nurse and an attorney.  Her husband is a neurologist with a Ph.D in biophysics. Yet they claim to have been totally unaware of an issue that has been in the media since the mid-90's, even though they are both in fields that should have made them more aware than the general public.

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I'm not sure what the laws in California are.

The way I heard it is they outlawed it and autism rates remained unchanged.
There has never been a proven link between the two; just post hoc ergo propter hoc.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

If there's no link, how did these parents win this lawsuit? The fact that they were able to do so suggests that there is enough evidence of a link between autism and thimerosal (mercury).

I don't know much about  the case, but on first glance it seems they won it based on the large number of vaccines given at one time and the girl's underlying condition.

Both of which would make a case against the doctor involved but in any suit the attorneys are going to go after the deeper pockets, in this case the government fund.

From what little I have read of it, I don't agree with the judgment.

What especially troubles me is is this statement from the mother:

"That was just too many vaccines," says Terry Poling. "I didn't find out for several months that they had thimerosal, which contains mercury, a powerful neurotoxin. Had I known, I never would have allowed it to be injected into my child.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1721109,00.html#ixzz0zcG6HK1U

She is a registered nurse and an attorney.  Her husband is a neurologist with a Ph.D in biophysics. Yet they claim to have been totally unaware of an issue that has been in the media since the mid-90's, even though they are both in fields that should have made them more aware than the general public.

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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I'm not sure what the laws in California are.

The way I heard it is they outlawed it and autism rates remained unchanged.
There has never been a proven link between the two; just post hoc ergo propter hoc.

I wouldn't be suprised if pharmaceutical companies are still using thimerosal in childhood vaccines and just not telling anyone considering the cover-up.

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

That's your best evidence?

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It's entirely possible that there is a factor causing the difference between the rates. But that doesn't have to be vaccines. There are MANY things the Amish don't use that we do.

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There was a proven link followed by an attempted cover-up. A reporter who heard the conflicting evidence compared the autism rate among the amish (they don't have their kids vaccinated) to the autism rate among non-amish. The children who did have it were adopted after receiving vaccines. Autism is extremely rare among the amish.

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
If there's no link, how did these parents win this lawsuit? The fact that they were able to do so suggests that there is enough evidence of a link between autism and thimerosal (mercury).

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ORIGINAL: brokedickdog

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

She is a registered nurse and an attorney.  Her husband is a neurologist with a Ph.D in biophysics. Yet they claim to have been totally unaware of an issue that has been in the media since the mid-90's, even though they are both in fields that should have made them more aware than the general public.

So in essence rule you seem to be saying these two parents were lying. Have you any evidence to that effect, or is it just a matter of unsubstantiated opinion? You are entitled to such but that doesn't mean your opinion is fact or truth.

If the case was tried by a jury then there were 12 people charged with the responsibility of weighing facts, eveidence and law, that are in disagreement with you. If the case was a bench trial, in front of only the judge, then clearly the judge, as trier of fact, is in disagreement with you.

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
There was a proven link followed by an attempted cover-up. A reporter who heard the conflicting evidence compared the autism rate among the amish (they don't have their kids vaccinated) to the autism rate among non-amish. The children who did have it were adopted after receiving vaccines. Autism is extremely rare among the amish.   

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ORIGINAL: stef
You shut your logic hole!