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BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:10:14 AM   
rosanegra


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Status: offline 		I have noticed several things when perusing the many chatrooms devoted to the deviant side of life.. and found them irritating to no end. I suppose I can accept them coming from stupid, ignorant people... or horny net geeks... but a large number of those I have seen doing these things are reasonable intelligent people who I believe truly love the lifestyle they live. That is why I don't understand why they continue to partake in these habits that have no real application to real life BDSM.

I have found these habits to be egotistical on the part of Dom/mes, and indicative of low self-esteem on the part of submissives. It reminds me of religious texts where every pronoun referring to "God" is capitalized... but at least in religious texts they don't rip apart the other rules of capitalization. Are Dom/mes and submissives trying to say that Dominance is next to Godliness? I don't think this is true. It takes both a good Dominant and a good submissive to build a good D/s relationship.

So I have decided to write a review of capitalization rules for the online BDSM community... here goes!

First of all, anytime the word, "I," appears in text, whether by itself or in a contraction (words like, "I'd," or, "I've") it gets capitalized. Dominant or submissive, no matter what you are, when referring to yourself, you capitalize the word, "I."

Words at the beginning of a sentence are also always capitalized. This means if you are referring to a submissive as, "she," at the beginning of a sentence you would capitalize the letter, "s," in the word, "she." ex: She is great at sucking cock.

When referring to yourself with words like, "myself," or when referring to your possessions with words like, "my," you do not capitalize them unless they are at the beginning of a sentence. ex: She is great at sucking my cock.

Other pronouns follow the same rule. You only capitalize a pronoun at the beginning of a sentence. In the middle of a sentence a pronoun does not get capitalized.

Perhaps the most annoying practice I have seen during my entire online BDSM experience is the dreadful, "A/all," or, "W/we," method of differentiating between the Dominants and submissives in a room or group. Not only is this improper use of English, there is no way to express it verbally with increased emphasis or through any other method that would not sound utterly ridiculous.
As seen in actual conversation, names removed to protect the deviant:

Bad:  "hello A/all"
Good: "Hello all"
Bad: "oh my You did hear me MasterJim?"
Good: "Oh my, you did hear me MasterJim?"
Bad: "she is My slut, and I will use her as I please"
Good: "She is my slut, and I will use her as I please."

Perhaps this refresher course in capitalization rules will bring some sense to the online BDSM community.
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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:14:22 AM   
Tikkiee


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Status: offline 		I am sorry, but I do not agree with you here. Just because something irritates me does not give me the right to tell another that it is wrong. My advice to you would be to get over it and move on.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:16:11 AM   
ExistentialSteel


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Status: offline 		I pretty much agree with what you said. I do notice that you capitalize Dominant in mid-sentence. I also do that and think all of us use some D/s type grammar to some degree.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:18:24 AM   
rosanegra


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Status: offline 		I admit I use it in that one instance. I also capitalize the word Master mid-sentence but it is very rare that I refer to anyone by that word. I think it is a matter of habit, because I used to do all of the very things that I mentioned above.. until I realized how much it went against my grain and what it meant in my eyes and how ridiculous I felt it was. 

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:19:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rosanegra

I have noticed several things when perusing the many chatrooms devoted to the deviant side of life..

I have found these habits to be egotistical on the part of Dom/mes, and indicative of low self-esteem on the part of submissives. It reminds me of religious texts where every pronoun referring to "God" is capitalized... but at least in religious texts they don't rip apart the other rules of capitalization. Are Dom/mes and submissives trying to say that Dominance is next to Godliness? I don't think this is true. It takes both a good Dominant and a good submissive to build a good D/s relationship.

Perhaps this refresher course in capitalization rules will bring some sense to the online BDSM community.


Now..... being a barely educated savage, I am not sure if Dom/mes is proper grammar, but it does seem you went against the gist of your post with the capitalizing of Dominant and the use of D/s.
 
I personally don't care for the "I find Myself so Dominant, I can barely stand Myself" type of writing, but hey. Life goes on.
 
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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:25:24 AM   
BitaTruble


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Status: offline 		Just out of curiosity, why do you capitalize "Dom/me" and "Dominance" and not "submissive?" I'm further curious as to why you often put two or three dots after some of your words when a comma is usually much more appropriate? What are the 'real life' applications of these aberrations and how do they serve the greater BDSM community?

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:28:15 AM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		I can't help but notice you capitaized Fairfield, Ohio, and Anne Rice in your profile.  Are you saying these things are like God?

So we have different rules here online.  Do I use them?  Sometimes in PMs, not in the forums.  Do I think they're right?  If someone wants to use them, go for it.  Better someone who makes "mistakes" on purpose than someone who dusnt no how tu spel or use bad gramer and mayks long sentancez and dusnt no wat hes taking abot. 

As to capitalizing Master, Master, Mistress, Dom, Himself etc...  is often in lieu of a name.  Why should someone not be allowed to expect his nic(please don't kill me for calling Master a nic) to be capitalized??????

As to T/this, it makes it hard to read, just as when this slave writes about this slave's Mistress, whom this slave does not believe exists.  I have to say, it reduces legibility.  But you know what?  WE TIE EACH OTHER UP, BEAT EACH OTHER WITH CANES, AND NAIL BALLS TO A BOARD!!!!!  If annoying typing is the worst result thereof we have it good.

Yours,


benji

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:30:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Why should someone not be allowed to expect his nic(please don't kill me for calling Master a nic) to be capitalized??????

As to T/this, it makes it hard to read, just as when this slave writes about this slave's Mistress, whom this slave does not believe exists.  I have to say, it reduces legibility.  But you know what?  WE TIE EACH OTHER UP, BEAT EACH OTHER WITH CANES, AND NAIL BALLS TO A BOARD!!!!!  If annoying typing is the worst result thereof we have it good.

Yours,


benji


LMAO benji........

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:31:08 AM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		Um...thanks for the lesson.

Many submissives type in the fashion their Dominants/Masters instruct.  Shall your rules supersede that?  I always lower-case my "i" when speaking to my Master.  For awhile I carried that practice over to online forums but no longer do.  I submit to and am beneath him - not everyone else.

Many in here refer to their Masters as "Himself."  I doubt your post will influence their practice much, either. 

Many in here have posted rants such as yours - they are both agreed with and disagreed with, but such posts do not generally influence the writing practice of others.  I understand people have pet-peeves, and I'm inclined to say your post was actually as clever as it was condescending.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:33:17 AM   
truesub4u


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Status: offline 		i personally think a F/few will disagree with Y/you here. i'll have to wait and see... but i'm sure .... i'm not the only one that really worries all that much if while i'm typing out something... if i need to worry about W/who is going to be impressed and W/who isn't.

Actually this would be filed in the I really don't give a damn file... the one I use when I really do not care what someone thinks of me. I'm not on here trying to impress no one. The one I do impress.... doesn't even like the forums...


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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:34:37 AM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		Aww c'mon Truey, you're trying to impress me, admit it!! 

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:36:06 AM   
feastie


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Status: offline 		Of all the problems associated with the BDSM lifestyle, this particular one isn't about to change anything, for better or worse.  Like many other activities, it's an online affectation gone horribly wrong and dragged into the real life of some.  But, regardless, it just isn't that important in the scheme of things.

This wasn't a horse, just a poor pony.  It's dead now, why not find something with a little more substance to discuss.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:36:14 AM   
puella


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quote:

ORIGINAL: rosanegra


Bad:  "hello A/all"
Good: "Hello all"
Bad: "oh my You did hear me MasterJim?"
Good: "Oh my, you did hear me MasterJim?"
Bad: "she is My slut, and I will use her as I please"
Good: "She is my slut, and I will use her as I please."

Perhaps this refresher course in capitalization rules will bring some sense to the online BDSM community.



Well.. if you are going to make a post about persnickittiness (yes I did just make that word up. Call me Samuel Johnson.),here's just a bit of a touch up for ya ; :


You said 'Bad', which is incorrect, you should have said Incorrect:  "hello A/all"
You said 'Good', which is incorrect, both in word usage as well as validity; see note below.  More accurate would have been something like...Still not good enough to be a correction: "Hello all"
Correct:  "Hello, everyone."  (Don't forget the comma!)

**(Good and bad implies nature, not 'correctness'... which is why it is incorrect, for instance, when answering the question..."How are you today?", to reply, "I am good."..... Though you may be a very good girl, the correct answer is "I am well."  [And if you were feeling particularly polite, "I am well, thank you."  And if you wanted to be so polite as to actually seem concerned, "I am well, thank you.  How are you?"])

Incorrect: "oh my You did hear me MasterJim?"
Still Incorrect: "Oh my, you did hear me MasterJim?"
Correct:  "Oh my!  You did hear me, MasterJim?"  (I took the liberty of choosing an exclamation point, both to add color as well as to show the urgency of the poor girl's realization.)
 
It is interesting to note, that the sentence with the word slut came out quite right, rosenanegra.  It is also interesting to note that you get pretty upset about sentence structure and capitalization, but do not capitalize your own name.... Hello, pot, this is the kettle...

I am just taking the piss out of you, rosanegra.  I agree it can get a bit tedious at times, wading through a see of All/all, Everyone/everyone, etc.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:39:26 AM   
truesub4u


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Aww c'mon Truey, you're trying to impress me, admit it!! 


truey?.......... truey?......... is that like slubbie?.... and not subbie?.... LOL

And admit it... you are impressed.... <grinzzzzzzzz>


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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:41:32 AM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		No...that would be more like "truey.lmnop.xyz".  I added the "y" as a term of endearment, because yes, and God knows why, I am impressed.    LOL 

Sorry folks, back to the thread...

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:41:51 AM   
Proprietrix


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Status: offline 		1. The capitalization of the word "I" is a rather American thing. When learning to write in many other nations, you'll find the opposite is true.
2. Your own writing style contradicted your entire rant.
3. I don't think we can accurately assume one's personality based on their capitalization and punctuation habits. (egotistical or low self esteem because of a typographical quirk?)
4. Not everyone in the lifestyle has the same level of education, same native tongue, same need to write according to the american education system's instruction.
5. Yes, some people do feel Domliness is next to Godliness (myself not included.)
6. What the hell does it matter anyway?

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:43:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: feastie
This wasn't a horse, just a poor pony.  It's dead now, why not find something with a little more substance to discuss.


Feastie,

Kicking a dead pony is even cuter than a dead horse!  Besides, we're so good at it on here.  Hey, why is no one replying to my messages?  My profile clearly says I want a bitch to cook and clean for me, and I'll beat her with my 10" cock every day!

Yours,


benji

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:45:04 AM   
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Proper written grammar is as hard to come by as proper spoken grammar.  Being as this is a message board and therefore writing-based, I just ain't gonna see no good coming from this insistance on capitalizing things just so.  Of course, it would be more convenient if proper grammar were followed as this would aid in readability, but people will write what they will how they will.  (And not all posters here are native English speakers; English grammar rules are probably some of the most complex you're ever likely to come across.  And there are a great many native English speakers who wouldn't know what to do with a dangling participle if it came up to them and goosed them.)  The rule would be no different here soley because this is a BDSM board.  If I were to read something I found so improperly worded as to be incomprehensible, I'm more than likely to skim it and move on.  There's more in my life I need to worry over...or should I say over which I need to worry?

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:46:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LevelNow..... being a barely educated savage, I am not sure if Dom/mes is proper grammar, but it does seem you went against the gist of your post with the capitalizing of Dominant and the use of D/s.
 
I personally don't care for the "I find Myself so Dominant, I can barely stand Myself" type of writing, but hey. Life goes on.
 
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I believe that grammatically, though I'm far from an English teacher, the word Dom/mes falls under the same rule structuring that one would use for s/he.

As for the rest of the drivellous argument, A/all is not grammatically correct because it refers to station in life as opposed to gender and seperating people by Dominant or submissive is not something covered in the rules of grammar.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 10:57:29 AM   
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ROFL extremely well put benji.

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