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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 11:36:57 AM   
gooddogbenji


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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: enthralled

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Perhaps the most annoying practice I have seen during my entire online BDSM experience


If this is the most annoying practice you've seen, you're either in for a shocker or you've had very limited exposure. . .


[laughing] Your comment made me remember a couple who violated the "keep out" sign on our bedroom during a party and did a waxing scene on our bed leaving the Bellino Moddrian 600 count sheets dotted with multicolor wax sploches.

This was a bit more annoying than improper capitization.


John and enthralled,

Not only do I normally agree with your posts, I also hate to defend a newbie.  Let em burn!!!  lol...  That was a joke.

Anyway, in rosa's defense, she did say online. 

Hope no one kills me!

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 11:41:18 AM   
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Saratov,

Perhaps would seem to be the optimal word to begin your preceding post.

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k, thanx I weren't shur.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 11:50:39 AM   
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First of all, anytime the word, "I," appears in text, whether by itself or in a contraction (words like, "I'd," or, "I've") it gets capitalized. Dominant or submissive, no matter what you are, when referring to yourself, you capitalize the word, "I." 


Perhaps i just have short, weak pinkies (digit challenged?).  Sometimes the shift key sticks, and sometimes i am just that lazy.  I had no idea I could have this affect on people.  I feel strangely powerful and have an odd urge to wear a cape.

Besides, upper and lower case pronouns can be quick visual clues since we are not all sitting around in a circle to chat (some of us kneeling, some of us not, or whatever example you want to use there to denote dominant and submissive).  Why wouldn't we develop shorthand for a new medium like "LOL" and He or she or She and he?  I am not handing this in for a grade and I am not making a presentation for work... I do try, but in the end you get what you get and no one has actually been harmed.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 11:55:19 AM   
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Trouble is what you are. 




The Story of the O
 
Back in the day when AOL was still a pay site one was not allowed to choose more than ten characters for their screen name. My cyber birth certificate lists my full cyber name as Justa Bita Knota Lota Truble. Well, obviously, this wasn't going to fit within the parameters of the AOL regime. I needed to shorten my name and make it fit but still retain the integrity and character of my 'true' cyber self. JustTruble didn't seem to work for me and I'm most certainly KNOT a LotaTruble so BitaTruble was chosen for both it's accuracy and it's ease of typing. It did present a problem though. Where on Earth was I going to get an O when I was in trouble or when I needed one to place into my own text? I pondered and pondered and came up with the idea of theft. Any time anyone was in trouble, I'd simply steal their O. They would be out of trouble and into truble and I'd have a nice little collection as a benefit. After 10+ years on AOL, I've amassed an incredible number of cyber O's so at this point I have an O whenever I need one. I save most of my O's for Himself for emergency purposes and, on occasion, I'll even give one away for free but most of them are used for a good cause. I think getting people out of trouble is a good thing, unless I'm the one who got them into trouble in the first place.

There you have it. The Story of the O.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 11:58:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would like to thank rosanegra for bringing up this topic.  First, let me say that I am a big fan of what I called Ds grammar.  Therefore, as I thank rosanegra for the topic, I must disagree with her position.  In my opinion, I think Ds grammar has a value in our BDSM lives.  First, I think it reinforces that W/we (Dom and sub)  have taken a step out of the normal world into the extraordinary world.  True, these things don't conform to the rules of proper English, but I view them as the proper grammar of the new world we are in.  The BDSM world.  Second, is it not fairly accepted that there will be physical training for a sub?  Maybe kneeling positions.  Maybe lessons in how to serve a drink or perform some duty in real life.  The Ds grammar rules are the online or virtual world equivalent of that. 
I could go on, but I think you see the basis of my point of view.  And yes, it is just my point of view.  There is no one oversight body, no BDSM governing body to tell us what to do.  We all make our own rules and hopefully, will respect each others views.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 12:00:47 PM   
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Hope no one kills me!


lol ... nah benji, you're just too darn cute to kill!


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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 12:01:49 PM   
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Truble is what you are. 




The Stry f the 
 
Back in the day when AL was still a pay site ne was nt allwed t chse mre than ten characters fr their screen name. My cyber birth certificate lists my full cyber name as Justa Bita Knta Lta Truble. Well, bviusly, this wasn't ging t fit within the parameters f the AL regime. I needed t shrten my name and make it fit but still retain the integrity and character of my 'true' cyber self. JustTruble didn't seem t wrk fr me and I'm mst certainly KNT a LtaTruble s BitaTruble was chsen fr bth it's accuracy and it's ease f typing. It did present a prblem though. Where n Earth was I ging t get an  when I was in truble r when I needed ne t place int my wn text? I pndered and pndered and came up with the idea f theft. Any time anyne was in truble, I'd simply steal their . They wuld be ut f truble and int truble and I'd have a nice little cllectin as a benefit. After 10+ years n AL, I've amassed an incredible number of cyber 's s at this pint I have an  whenever I need ne. I save mst of my 's fr Himself fr emergency purpses and, n ccasin, I'll even give ne away fr free but mst f them are used fr a gd cause. I think getting peple ut f truble is a gd thing, unless I'm the ne wh gt them int truble in the first place.

There yu have it. The Stry f the .

bi BitaTruble




Nw what will Himself say when he sees you let all f your ""s get stlen???? 

Nt H MY GD!
Nt H YU
Nt UH H!!!

Yu are in truble nw, Celeste

Edited to hide my ""s

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 12:18:38 PM   
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Okay, perhaps I should have mentioned this in the first place. What annoys me more than anything about this is that it is deliberate. If you just can't spell, or can't type, or don't really care for use of the shift key at all, it doesn't matter. I don't have a problem with people who type in all lowercase. People who type in all CAPS are just clueless or intentionally being annoying. My issue is with someone who deliberately capitalizes the wrong things. Look at it another way. The metric system wasn't good enough for the United States. We had to go make our own way of doing things. Now it is an endless source of confusion, chaos, and ignorance. Isn't the BDSM world sort of doing the same thing with language? Yes, we are different, but does that mean we need another set of grammar rules to go along with everything else that sets us apart? Yes, we have training in certain ways of doing things but those are useful. Learning how to serve is one thing.. learning another way to spell things is pointless, silly, and a cause of confusion. 

If you are going to bother using your shift key, use it where it was meant to be used.

On another note, far more annoying things go on in real life. I admit that. I was referring to the most annoying, "D/s," grammar rule.

As for my habit of capitalizing the word Dominant or Master... again, it is a habit. It also stems from the fact that the common way of capitalizing the abbreviation, "D/s," even among people who don't do all of the other things mentioned in my first post, is with a capital, "D," and a lowercase, "s." I extend that to the full words these letters stand for.

My grammar isn't perfect. I admit that. I just don't see any point or positive result of intentionally using bad grammar.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 12:22:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cuz its funney sumtimes. or cuz I want 2.  or cuz its my prublam haw I right.  and if sum1 dusnt want 2 reed it, they shudnt.

Urs,

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 12:38:26 PM   
BitaTruble


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Yu are in truble now, Celeste


You missed one. ;)

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 12:39:53 PM   
gooddogbenji


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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 12:45:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		First, you're talking about orthography, not grammar.  Grammar has to do with how words in a language are linked together to make sense.  You're not talking about LANGUAGE per se; you're talking about how the language is written.  That's called orthography.  Sorry to be pedantic, but if you're going to take it upon yourself to correct people's grammar in the forums, I think it's a reasonable expectation that you understand what grammar is and what grammar isn't.

Second, one of your soi-disant "rules" is wrong: you can capitalize a pronoun in the middle of a sentence if it refers to a god or a liege.  You say, "Here I am, Your Majesty," not "Here I am, your majesty."  "Blessed be He," not "Blessed be he."  I won't insult your intelligence by spelling out the relevance of this practice to the BDSM capitalization that you abhor.

Third, really, who gives a fuck?  People can write and say whatever they want.  That's why it's called a PUBLIC forum.  Do you really think anyone is going to change the way he or she writes because of your "refresher course in capitalization"?  Obviously people who do this KNOW that they are not observing the standard rules of capitalization.  It's not as though they all needed you to point this out to them.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 12:56:03 PM   
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Look at it another way. The metric system wasn't good enough for the United States. We had to go make our own way of doing things. Now it is an endless source of confusion, chaos, and ignorance.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 12:56:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rosanegra

Look at it another way. The metric system wasn't good enough for the United States. We had to go make our own way of doing things. Now it is an endless source of confusion, chaos, and ignorance. Isn't the BDSM world sort of doing the same thing with language? Yes, we are different, but does that mean we need another set of grammar rules to go along with everything else that sets us apart?

Not really taking sides on this as it doesn't bother me either way, but aren't you being just as resistant to what is generally accepted by many (not all) in the BDSM community as an "OK" (note I didn't say right) way to write when conversing in chat rooms or other written ways. If everyone else was fine with it, then you would be the one causing the confusion. Just a thought.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 12:58:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		i ugree wit benjo . . . sometimz U jus haf 2 accept peeps 4 who they R ..... lol


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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 1:00:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh yes . . . and perhaps it's not a matter of grammatical error OR ignorance . . . think about semantics and pragmatics too!!!!!

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 1:00:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I seldom reply to threads like this, but if you are going to rant about someone's grammar, you better be sure yours is flawless. There are numerous grammatical mistakes in your post.

Personally , I capitalize dom and  pronouns when referring to my Dom to show Him respect.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 1:01:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Scooter,

Not everyone was ok with it, obviously.  How many threads have we now seen of people griping about it?

I say we form a commitee to decide how to punish anyone who doesn't type properly.  Properly being however the individual reader wants it.

I say a week of banishment from CM each time someone disagrees with how I type.  Cumulative.

See you in 200 years!

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 1:04:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Scooter,

Not everyone was ok with it, obviously.  How many threads have we now seen of people griping about it?

I say we form a commitee to decide how to punish anyone who doesn't type properly.  Properly being however the individual reader wants it.

I say a week of banishment from CM each time someone disagrees with how I type.  Cumulative.

See you in 200 years!

Yours,


benji
ROFLMAO...OMG, you really think 200 is enough. I agree, we're going to get people bitching about anything and everything, but for the most part everyone who has been on-line "talking the talk" knows what's going on, so trying to change that back would take some doing.

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RE: BDSM and first-grade grammar rules. - 4/23/2006 1:19:46 PM   
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