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Political Landscape - 9/16/2010 1:12:02 PM

NorthernGent

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Liberalism and Conservatism.....as political philosophies....simply do not do provide an acceptable outlet for advancement in this day and age....their heyday being 100 years ago.....

So....in the spirit of change....I'm proposing a new/improved dividing line...

That being....

People who believe any old bollocks versus people who are a touch more sceptical....no matter the self-proclaimed political persuasion....

Any thoughts? Any adherents?

Surely the people who reserve judgement...and apply a modicum of critical analysis......have far more in common with another than they do with those of the same political persuasion?

Would anyone with a nice...round... pair of tits like to join me on this venture? Just a thought....

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/16/2010 1:19:23 PM

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I could name more than one pair of tits who are bound to wade into this argument, but the mods wouldn't like it.

I'd question that liberalism and conservatism are political philosophies in the first place, particularly when used by Americans, who often seem to think that whichever term they don't like means "anybody who disagrees with me about anything". They're umbrella terms that people resort to instead of talking about political philosophy in the first place, hence your point. Still, at least they stop some halfwits from claiming that the Kenyan is a Marxist, I suppose...

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/16/2010 1:21:44 PM

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People who believe any old bollocks versus people who are a touch more sceptical....no matter the self-proclaimed political persuasion....

Conservatives like to believe that they're exactly the sorts who are 'a touch more sceptical', NG. (Sorry about my sparseness in the upper balcony area, btw).

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/16/2010 1:36:33 PM

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Quite. A lot of them even deny that they're conservatives in the first place, don't they? All of these Republican voting independents who've been cropping up since the last election they had over there...

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/16/2010 1:56:35 PM

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Well you guys...................wrong again as usual.

What we have here is True Americans who defend our constitution and our way of life, and some Communist-Marxist-Socialist bomb throwers (who, very much in the minority in our society had a mortal lock on our government for two full years bankrupting us) who are destroying our way of life and are compared to your well known liberal appeaser, Mr. Chamberlain, (who; insofar as I have read, could readily be argued for placement to the right of even Mr. Gladstone) You know, your PM (again) around the time of our Civil War presided over by Mr. Lincoln, and about the time my great-grandfather's family came over from Bathersden, you had a Mr. D'Israeli, who I believe cut an album with Mr. Clapton and other cream of your society, that toffee-nosed lot of folks.

You english are an interesting lot, having some indication that you may be in possession of at least one or two facts when you speak (even if polar opposites), and you never seem to call each other fucking assholes, and therefore are asked to refrain from speaking about american politics by our more well-read and mordant members (who can only exist on the right).

Gott mit Uns!!!!

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/16/2010 8:24:38 PM

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The dividing line in this century is the same as it has been forever to this day - on one side those who decide who shall eat and on the other those who produce the food. By whatever names they are called, by whatever groups and subgroups they might be divided or divide into, by whatever mechanisms each finds himself on one side of the line or the other, this is an eternal state of affairs for human kind.

The politics and philosophies of yore may have argued for shifting this line, manipulating it, even and ultimately fruitlessly removing it, and yet here we are, still.

The lesson is to devise a philosophy by which it might be us on the more favourable side of the line, by whatever means necessary. And as the global population grows and resources dwindle, not to mention as the globalisation trend continues and strengthens, this becomes a more urgent endeavour than ever before. It is he who controls and decides that shall prosper in the future and he who like any good slave gladly and without complaint trades his soul for bread and a little water that shall suffer and be confirmed on the wrong side of the line ever after.

This means competition, confrontation and conflict and an end to cooperation save for the mutual pursuit of the primary goal of control. Perhaps then the dividing line politically and philosophically will be, as it has been a prominent mechanism through history for deciding where the line shall fall, between those who believe in cooperation and those who feel that conflict is the inevitable arbiter in the rush for resources.

It is my view that, despite a preference for cooperative approaches, these will ultimately fail when basic resources of land, food and water become so over-subscribed by a growing global population that fair shares are no longer sufficient consideration to prevent a grab for a greater share through conflict - on whatever scale.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/16/2010 8:28:08 PM

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Quite. A lot of them even deny that they're conservatives in the first place, don't they? All of these Republican voting independents who've been cropping up since the last election they had over there...

It's the "liberals" that keeps insisting that everyone call them "progressives" now.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/16/2010 8:46:50 PM

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You english are an interesting lot, having some indication that you may be in possession of at least one or two facts when you speak (even if polar opposites), and you never seem to call each other fucking assholes, and therefore are asked to refrain from speaking about american politics by our more well-read and mordant members (who can only exist on the right).

I dunno, Ron. We have at least one of the tea swillers who speaks with more bile of our President than even our nastiest loony on the right. I do think it's a bit obnoxious when they insert themselves too eagerly into discussions of our domestic politics. They lost the right to do that in two separate wars, and then in our saving their asses in another.

They paid off their loans though, so we'll give credit where it is due.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/16/2010 11:58:05 PM

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And the political landscape is loaded with landmines for the Democrats.
Yeah, "progressive", knowing that the American People are against "Amnesties" and trying to do it again against the express wishes of the vast majority of the American People!
Isn't there another name for that besides "progressive?"

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 5:15:02 AM

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Yes there is, 'Leftists'.

Theyve ruined a lot of good words, Leftists.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 6:08:05 AM

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Far too superficial now days to simply ask about liberal and conservative. First being a man of words in love with the queen's English...we must define these terms and apply them to reality.

The question becomes even more superfluous when one looks at the history of the ideologies and their effect on actual policy and law.

That leaves me with what I have come to fervently believe that as I understand the term, there are no conservatives in Washington...none. Ok very, very few. How about say 35 of the 535 in both houses for a fairly educated guess.

While I personally believe that liberals might do anything, real conservatives in my view and I am not alone by any means...do not do what we've done in this country for at least the last 30 years. At least the real 'conservatives' don't do all of that and still...call themselves conservatives.

As for progressives. That term was put into the public domain of discussion by those who followed Teddy Roosevelt who was a little too 'progressive' to get the republican nomination.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 7:23:17 AM

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Far too superficial now days to simply ask about liberal and conservative. First being a man of words in love with the queen's English...we must define these terms and apply them to reality.

Good luck with that one: bear in mind that you're on a forum where nobody bats an eyelid over Obama (a right leaning centrist if ever there was one) getting called a Marxist as a matter of course...

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 7:32:43 AM

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And the political landscape is loaded with landmines for the Democrats.
Yeah, "progressive", knowing that the American People are against "Amnesties" and trying to do it again against the express wishes of the vast majority of the American People!
Isn't there another name for that besides "progressive?"

Always seems that the right is a bit paranoid about the extent of rebranding going on; thinking when they are signing up for progressive politics what that means is socialism. It's a word which is more appealing than 'regressive' this is the only reason it is used by politicians. No Politian talks of autocracy, it's all about the democracy.

The slightly right-of-centre-right here said there was going to be 'progressive cuts'. I don't know what that means but apparently we don't have to worry so much because they are 'Targeted'. If you take a 'targeted progressive headache tablet' it relieves the pain twice as effectively. This is a proven fact according to advertisers which don't have to stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Politicians are all doing the same, when the next election occurs you won't be in much of a different position than you are in now because inaction is the most successful political outcome in this day and age. Don't worry about change when there is no realistic prospect of it.

Read the small print and you'll see that no child was left behind a sofa.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 7:34:30 AM

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And I crack a few jokes about our shallow american untutored barroom politics, and folks take me serious.....that is a commentary in and of itself.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 7:37:29 AM

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Ah, such humor might get an occasional laugh except you leftists are constantly "cracking jokes" about how much you hate everything about America.

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And I crack a few jokes about our shallow american untutored barroom politics, and folks take me serious.....that is a commentary in and of itself.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 7:47:00 AM

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Ah, such humor might get an occasional laugh except you leftists are constantly "cracking jokes" about how much you hate everything about America.

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And I crack a few jokes about our shallow american untutored barroom politics, and folks take me serious.....that is a commentary in and of itself.

No we're not.
Isn't that one of those generalisations, as well? I've noticed you get a bit offended if a leftist (hoch! ptooie!) ever does that.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 7:49:34 AM

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Read my new book

Forwards and backwards.

Abstract: In this life you only turn left and right when faced with an obstacle. This book demonstrates how such obstacles on the political roadmap to peace can be overcome without the need to revert to the old politics of left and right.

Other books by this author:

West and East
North and South
Southwest and Northeast

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 7:50:03 AM

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Bullshit!!!! I have never said anything like that. Prove it. Put your money where your ignorant fucking mouth is. The search function is there. If I said it, you find it and show it. Go back to sucking rushes ass, and posting about why we should allow you to build bathtubs in rivers and the conspiracy against capping the well on the day it was capped, and how the gulf is clean and other drooling shit you are famous for, but I am a veteran, a citizen and a businessman in this country, and I am an American.

Don't impugn my patriotism with your loutish and despicable smears.

Prove it, or apologize and shut the fuck up.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 8:01:23 AM

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Just so people know (it's a pity I have to spell this out): there's plenty of the American culture I'm rather fond of. Science fiction, hard boiled thrillers, comics, blues, soul, jazz and rock music, vintage fountain pens, lots of stuff like that.

It's just this political system that'd make a dog laugh you've saddled yourselves with that offends me.

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RE: Political Landscape - 9/17/2010 8:04:30 AM

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Is that a "2" I see starting to flash up around the temple on his avatar?

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