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CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 9:10:05 AM   
defiantbadgirl


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Status: offline 		1. End free-trade agreements

2. No more H1 Visas

3. Secure the borders and deport illegal immigrants

4. Manufacturing companies only get bail outs in return for bringing all jobs back permanently

5. No more policing the world

6. Stop all foreign aid until our economy is booming and the country is out of debt

7. Universal health care, not universal health insurance for all Americans

8. Continuing education paid for the same as K-12th grade

9. Government regulation on how much CEO's get to keep and how much goes to workers

10. Raise the mimimum wage (consumers can afford to spend more if they make more)

11. End lobbyists buying votes. House and Senate are to serve the people not corporations

12. Bring all outsourced jobs back 

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 9:16:29 AM   
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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 9:17:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Does 12 include, say, cutting the minimum wage heavily, doing away with health and safety regulations in the workplace, and generally matching the various methods employers in India and China use to cut their overheads?

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 9:18:11 AM   
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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 9:48:00 AM   
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Fewer Narcissists with internet access.

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 9:51:12 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		Well at least you're balanced some of the worst ideas from both sides of the issues. LOL

1. end free trade (and watch as the world boycots our goods entirely due to protectionist practices that will do wonders for our trade deficits.)

2. No more H1 visas, ah the scapegoat issue of those immigrants (legal in this case due to the Visa) will work jobs for less has existed for over a century now. Likely at some point in history it was your ancestors who were the cheap workers stealing the jobs.

3. Secure boarders and deport illegals (OK even a blind squirel gets an acorn onc in awhile) but how and what will you do to change the supply and demand curve.

4. Bring the jobs back perminently????? even if they don't make a profit????? are companies now only around to supply jobs?????
Permanent jobs take away the competition aspects.

5. no more policing the world (ok we'll leave the world policing to China and Venezuella and those other countries and we'll just live with the results of their efforts.)

6. Stop all foreign aid......, (Well the pure $ value of actual foreign aid that we spend is not going to clear up much budget deficit, this is kinda akin to giving up 1 starbucks a day when you have 50K in credit card debt)

7. Universal Health Care, wait I thought you were worried about federal deficits and over spending????? Even what they came up with has proven to be INCREASING costs at the same time that it busts the budget.

8. Continueing education paid for same as K-12 ( again the budget simply won't hold that and everything else we demand the government provide, and have you seen what passes for education when you put them in charge. (I'm looking forward to the debates that should be coming up based on the new Waiting for Superman documentary on the US Public school system failures.)

9. Government rgulation on how much CEO's can make?????? You sure you understand the concept of FREEDOM??????????????

10. Raise Minimum Wage ( OK we've been doing that steadily for a while now and it has actually hurt some job creation. Raising the minimum wage will always result in inflation pressure increasing. ) Eventually the status quoe equalibrium of p[ay scales based on what work is considered valuable and what work is not will return and the only thing that has changed is that doctor made 150 K  Fry cooks made 25K and after you raise the minimum so that a Fry cook makes 50K then the doctor will make 300K

11. end Lobbiest Buying Votes ( sounds good in theory on the buying votes part) all you can do is prevent the buying part though, to destroy or make lobbies illegal you would have to destroy the constitution. Freedom to assemble and the right to petition the government for redress.

12. do whatever it takes to bring back outsourced jobs (all whatever it takes suggestions hold no water because we could have all the outsourced jobs back instantly if we simply Repealed all DOL (Department of Labor)  and EPA regulations.)





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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 9:55:54 AM   
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Does 12 include, say, cutting the minimum wage heavily, doing away with health and safety regulations in the workplace, and generally matching the various methods employers in India and China use to cut their overheads?


Absolutely not. The idea is to not compete with them at all. The US became strong by standing on its own.  

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 9:58:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Fewer Narcissists with internet access.

Your understanding of that word's definition appears to be on par with your grasp of the ramifications of your proposed "solutions".

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 10:05:28 AM   
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Absolutely not. The idea is to not compete with them at all. The US became strong by standing on its own.  

WHEN???
utter bullshit


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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 10:51:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		The really sad, and scary, part of this is that........much of the American public has the same ridiculous, overly simplistic, naive, points of view.

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 11:04:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Does 12 include, say, cutting the minimum wage heavily, doing away with health and safety regulations in the workplace, and generally matching the various methods employers in India and China use to cut their overheads?


Absolutely not.   


Then why should a corporation reverse outsourcing? What incentives are you offering, what concessions are you willing to make?

Your demands and solutions are overly simplistic, and lack an understanding of real world economics.

Maybe you should stop whining and start trying to be smart and proactive about your live instead of your usual search for excuses and scapegoats for your shortcomings.
However, Popey should be along shortly to agree with you.

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 11:40:40 AM   
defiantbadgirl


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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Does 12 include, say, cutting the minimum wage heavily, doing away with health and safety regulations in the workplace, and generally matching the various methods employers in India and China use to cut their overheads?


Absolutely not.   


Then why should a corporation reverse outsourcing? What incentives are you offering, what concessions are you willing to make?

They should reverse it because it's destroying the US economy. Incentives - What about not deliberately destroying the US economy? What about outlawing such practices and calling them acts of treason?

Your demands and solutions are overly simplistic, and lack an understanding of real world economics.

I'm talking about US economics, not world economics. 

Maybe you should stop whining and start trying to be smart and proactive about your live instead of your usual search for excuses and scapegoats for your shortcomings.
However, Popey should be along shortly to agree with you.

Millions of Americans have lost jobs due to outsourcing. I'm not one of them, so how am I making excuses and using scapegoats? By offering solutions I am being proactive. Those who complain about it but say there's no way to fix it are the ones whining.



< Message edited by defiantbadgirl -- 9/17/2010 11:43:47 AM >

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 11:43:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		The minute you make legislation to try and force an american corporation to do anything long the lines you are insisting upon, they will make changes to ensure they are no longer an american corporation.

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 12:12:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a short story, "I, Pencil," I believe is the title.  You might want to look it up and read it to get an idea of just how impractical isolationism would be for the US. 

I do not disagree that there are things that should be changed.  I just do not find your solutions workable the way that you have presented them. 

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Does 12 include, say, cutting the minimum wage heavily, doing away with health and safety regulations in the workplace, and generally matching the various methods employers in India and China use to cut their overheads?


Absolutely not.   


Then why should a corporation reverse outsourcing? What incentives are you offering, what concessions are you willing to make?

They should reverse it because it's destroying the US economy. Incentives - What about not deliberately destroying the US economy? What about outlawing such practices and calling them acts of treason?

Your demands and solutions are overly simplistic, and lack an understanding of real world economics.

I'm talking about US economics, not world economics. 

Maybe you should stop whining and start trying to be smart and proactive about your live instead of your usual search for excuses and scapegoats for your shortcomings.
However, Popey should be along shortly to agree with you.

Millions of Americans have lost jobs due to outsourcing. I'm not one of them, so how am I making excuses and using scapegoats? By offering solutions I am being proactive. Those who complain about it but say there's no way to fix it are the ones whining.




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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 12:14:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is no US economics without world economics.



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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 12:14:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

There is a short story, "I, Pencil," I believe is the title.  You might want to look it up and read it to get an idea of just how impractical isolationism would be for the US. 

I do not disagree that there are things that should be changed.  I just do not find your solutions workable the way that you have presented them. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: calamitysandra


quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Does 12 include, say, cutting the minimum wage heavily, doing away with health and safety regulations in the workplace, and generally matching the various methods employers in India and China use to cut their overheads?


Absolutely not.   


Then why should a corporation reverse outsourcing? What incentives are you offering, what concessions are you willing to make?

They should reverse it because it's destroying the US economy. Incentives - What about not deliberately destroying the US economy? What about outlawing such practices and calling them acts of treason?

Your demands and solutions are overly simplistic, and lack an understanding of real world economics.

I'm talking about US economics, not world economics. 

Maybe you should stop whining and start trying to be smart and proactive about your live instead of your usual search for excuses and scapegoats for your shortcomings.
However, Popey should be along shortly to agree with you.

Millions of Americans have lost jobs due to outsourcing. I'm not one of them, so how am I making excuses and using scapegoats? By offering solutions I am being proactive. Those who complain about it but say there's no way to fix it are the ones whining.





Not to mention that she left out free food, shelter and energy for everyone. Sheeesh, such a conservative OP!

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 12:23:48 PM   
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Not to mention that she left out free food, shelter and energy for everyone. Sheeesh, such a conservative OP!


As a fan of science fiction, I find those goals laudable.  I also believe that someday we will have the technology to do just that. 

However, as things stand now, society keeps removing the incentives to accomplish it. 

Mediocrity is the new "black."  It is often seen as "wrong" to be better than someone else.  Why strive for excellence when you are in a system that purports everyone to be a "winner?" 

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 12:28:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

1. End free-trade agreements

2. No more H1 Visas

3. Secure the borders and deport illegal immigrants

4. Manufacturing companies only get bail outs in return for bringing all jobs back permanently

5. No more policing the world

6. Stop all foreign aid until our economy is booming and the country is out of debt

7. Universal health care, not universal health insurance for all Americans

8. Continuing education paid for the same as K-12th grade

9. Government regulation on how much CEO's get to keep and how much goes to workers

10. Raise the mimimum wage (consumers can afford to spend more if they make more)

11. End lobbyists buying votes. House and Senate are to serve the people not corporations

12. Bring all outsourced jobs back 



13. Outsource all jobs.

14. For every £1 operating profit earned....80p goes to Tanzania.

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 12:34:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Not to mention that she left out free food, shelter and energy for everyone. Sheeesh, such a conservative OP!


As a fan of science fiction, I find those goals laudable.  I also believe that someday we will have the technology to do just that. 



The operative word being "fiction". If it ever happened here is what it would actually look like:

Free freeze dried food, rationed at 1500 calories a day
Free Japanese style hotel capsules
Free solar aided bicycles

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RE: CHANGE THE US REALLY NEEDS - 9/17/2010 12:49:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Not to mention that she left out free food, shelter and energy for everyone. Sheeesh, such a conservative OP!


As a fan of science fiction, I find those goals laudable.  I also believe that someday we will have the technology to do just that. 



The operative word being "fiction". If it ever happened here is what it would actually look like:

Free freeze dried food, rationed at 1500 calories a day
Free Japanese style hotel capsules
Free solar aided bicycles


I would have said that the operative word was "someday."  Of course, I also believe that someday we will colonize new planets. 

Of course, someday we might end up with Nehemiah Scudder. 

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