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Hippiekinkster -> "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/19/2010 5:44:49 PM)
NY Times book review How bullshit numbers are used to sell, for instance, the Bush tax cuts, and other dishonest uses. There's an excellent example of McCarthy and his completely made up list of 205 communists in the government. I have GOT to read this book.

juliaoceania -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/19/2010 5:47:32 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics Another good book

luckydawg -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/19/2010 6:01:22 PM)
Apperantly he asserts Al Franken didn't win his election, and Al gore lies about Global Warming. It does look like an interesting read.

servantforuse -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/19/2010 6:04:27 PM)
Liars figure and figures lie..

popeye1250 -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/19/2010 6:11:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Apperantly he asserts Al Franken didn't win his election, and Al gore lies about Global Warming. It does look like an interesting read. Oh, Al Gore doesn't lie about, (snicker) "Global warming" anymore. He's got a few new hobbies.

servantforuse -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/19/2010 6:16:58 PM)
I havn't seen that photo of a polar bear on a little piece of ice in a while. Did the North pole freeze over again, or is Al in court ?

pahunkboy -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/19/2010 6:47:51 PM)
Hog wash. Be in no rush for higher taxes.

Termyn8or -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/19/2010 9:54:21 PM)
FR This is something I have been saying for years, how's come nobody believed me but now they believe that guy ? Percentage, percentile, average, mean, root mean square. These are not "fudges" of statistics, but few understand the differences. When you add up the numbers a certain way, you get one result, another way and you get a different result. Of course I am not referring to simple addition. And Bush was not actually lying when he said the average American family, he just meant average to him. The only people he ever has any contact with who aren't multimillionaires is the valet at a restaurant, and I mean probably not even the chefs and the waiters. ( well perhaps some of his ESSENTIAL bodyguards ) Take drug companies for example. One drug under test results in 35% getting cramps, diarhea(sp), nosebleeds and hearing loss. Another drug results in immediate death, but only for 5%. Which one goes to market first ? And this is not even the crux of the bullshit. It goes alot farther than that. Any and all are welcome to ignore the words of a dropout while embracing the "facts" as given by people who went to toga parties and bought some letters after their name. Go right ahead. T

willbeurdaddy -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/20/2010 12:30:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster NY Times book review How bullshit numbers are used to sell, for instance, the Bush tax cuts, and other dishonest uses. There's an excellent example of McCarthy and his completely made up list of 205 communists in the government. I have GOT to read this book. Since the bulk of McCarthy's "completely made up list" has since been verified by other sources, you might want to rethink whether the book is worth the trees it killed.

Moonhead -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/20/2010 12:34:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And Bush was not actually lying when he said the average American family, he just meant average to him. The only people he ever has any contact with who aren't multimillionaires is the valet at a restaurant, and I mean probably not even the chefs and the waiters. ( well perhaps some of his ESSENTIAL bodyguards ) You're forgetting the people he was buying drugs from in college (and for his twenties and early thirties, come to that): they probably weren't members of the elite either...

mnottertail -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/20/2010 12:43:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster NY Times book review How bullshit numbers are used to sell, for instance, the Bush tax cuts, and other dishonest uses. There's an excellent example of McCarthy and his completely made up list of 205 communists in the government. I have GOT to read this book. Since the bulk of McCarthy's "completely made up list" has since been verified by other sources, you might want to rethink whether the book is worth the trees it killed. LOL. subsequently verified. what a load of shit.

Musicmystery -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/20/2010 1:14:50 PM)
It's one of his fetishes.

mnottertail -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/20/2010 1:35:56 PM)
perfect storm. a number he wishes was true.

angelikaJ -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/20/2010 1:58:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: luckydawg Apperantly he asserts Al Franken didn't win his election, and Al gore lies about Global Warming. It does look like an interesting read. Oh, Al Gore doesn't lie about, (snicker) "Global warming" anymore. He's got a few new hobbies. I had thought you were out of high-school. Whose picture were you using then?

Malkinius -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/20/2010 2:59:54 PM)
Greetings..... quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Since the bulk of McCarthy's "completely made up list" has since been verified by other sources, you might want to rethink whether the book is worth the trees it killed. LOL. subsequently verified. what a load of shit. Actually....you really should read a bit more. The so called list did not exist. That there were Communist and specifically Russian agents working for the US Government that the list supposedly contained, is true. Yes, that part HAS been verified. Now, whether or not the number of people on that list were the number of agents, I don't know. I only read up on that area as a tangent to other reading, I have not specifically studied it. You have read Mitrokhin's books, haven't you? (Note...I have only read the first one, not all five of them.) Be well.... Malkinius

rulemylife -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/20/2010 4:17:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Since the bulk of McCarthy's "completely made up list" has since been verified by other sources, you might want to rethink whether the book is worth the trees it killed. Truly amazing that 60 years later we still have those defending the man whose name has become synonymous with sleazy politics.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/20/2010 4:39:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Since the bulk of McCarthy's "completely made up list" has since been verified by other sources, you might want to rethink whether the book is worth the trees it killed. Truly amazing that 60 years later we still have those ~~defending~~ defamingthe man whose name has unjustly become synonymous with sleazy politics. FYP

willbeurdaddy -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/20/2010 4:42:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Malkinius Greetings..... quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Since the bulk of McCarthy's "completely made up list" has since been verified by other sources, you might want to rethink whether the book is worth the trees it killed. LOL. subsequently verified. what a load of shit. Actually....you really should read a bit more. The so called list did not exist. That there were Communist and specifically Russian agents working for the US Government that the list supposedly contained, is true. Yes, that part HAS been verified. Now, whether or not the number of people on that list were the number of agents, I don't know. I only read up on that area as a tangent to other reading, I have not specifically studied it. You have read Mitrokhin's books, haven't you? (Note...I have only read the first one, not all five of them.) Be well.... Malkinius You might read about the Venona decrypts and the subsequent confessions of several spys that implicated the most important of those McCarthy accused. Amazing that a REAL government conspiracy to coverup communist infiltration starting in the 30s and that has been proven to exist gets no play from the truther types on this board.

Malkinius -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/21/2010 1:08:21 AM)
Greetings.... I wonder how many people know which two future presidents of the US worked for and with McCarthy? <grins> There were a number of people on the lists which actually named names who swore they were not Communists or Communist sympathizers who thirty years later came out and said that of course they were. Zero Mostel come to mind as one of those who did that. Regretfully, both sides on issues like this have too many people who follow the party lie without doing any checking for themselves. The truth is much more interesting in most cases. Be well.... Malkinius

rulemylife -> RE: "Proofiness", or numbers one wishes to be true (9/21/2010 5:42:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy Since the bulk of McCarthy's "completely made up list" has since been verified by other sources, you might want to rethink whether the book is worth the trees it killed. Truly amazing that 60 years later we still have those defending defamingthe man whose name has unjustly become synonymous with sleazy politics. FYP PTODDH

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